Posted on 05/13/2009 12:30:05 PM PDT by decimon
Yup. I'm disappointed...I'd bought into the conveyor belt theory.
Sounds like the circulation is so but not as was thought. If you can shut down the northern flow then you can still glaciate Europe. ;-)
OK. So, the conveyor belt doesn't work like we thought? We've still had no warming for almost 10 years, regardless of how the system works.
What happened to the good old days where a human sacrifice or two solved all of a society’s problems. Since the “planet huggers” are willing to sacrifice everything to save the planet, they should be asked to provide two volunteers.
Sure we have. It's just been a cold warming.
Two is a tragedy, two billion a statistic.
LOL! Sounds like you've been in James Hansen's liquor cabinet, er, uh, I mean computer model.
Isn't that where man usually starts before he masters a science? Little models that don't quite pan out until new mathematics and physics are created to understand and predict phenomenon? I do not agree with Al Gore and company but I know all this research and science will be put to good use in the future once the chaff is blown away.
The bourbon was warming.
That's pretty much my view. I'm all for the science and all against the ideology.
Put aside the anthropogenic stuff and it is predictable that we will eventually have a severe warming or cooling. That won't be in my lifetime but people will eventually need the science to alleviate or cope with the...dare I say it?...change.
...until then, don’t try to sell it as an immutable truth. “The debate about global warming is over,” crowd is selling faith, not fact...they have completely lost sight of the scientific method. They have a conclusion and steps that need to be taken immediately to abate the problem...yet they still seek evidence for it, by any means necessary.
This is the way it has always been done. If you believe you have the science to back up your conclusions you have the immutable truth. Then when you are proven wrong, you get egg all over your face. This is science at is highest level with politics, religion and economics thrown in.
No, you observe something in an attempt to understand it. When you think you have good evidence, you advance a theory, then you let the scientific community evaluate you. You do not, by contrast, start with a conclusion, sell the conclusion as fact to the world, attempt to enact political and economic policy in response, then conduct selective research to support your theory, while glossing over or outright lying about anything that doesn’t fit your models and claim that it makes the inevitable conclusion simply, ‘more difficult’ to prove.
There goes the next Austin Powers sequel.
And what a relief that is. ;’)
Now, that's a silly statement.
Someone point out to me the "starting point" of a convection pattern.
I'm ready to throw Al Gore into a volcano whenever you are. /sarc>
Cheers!
HAHA....start over
They could have gone all day without mentioning that. It sounds kooky. If the model predicted something other than what the real data showed, no mention of the model would have been made. Since the model predicts the same thing that the data show, we are left wondering how much they tinkered with the model to make it spit out the same answer as the real data. And does their ability to make the model give the right answer mean that the model includes all of the relevant factors, with all of the appropriate weighting? There's no way to tell.
Here's an example: You have a room full of pairs of people. You are told to develop a model that predicts the older person's age based on the younger person's age. You are told that in each pair the older person is twice the age of the younger person. You decide to collect some data. You talk to one pair. The younger person is 16, the older one is 32. You can now build your model: Take the younger person's age and add 16 to it. That will give you the older person's age. It worked for your sample, so your model must be right. And you tried it with 7,000 ecouples. It worked every time.
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