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“The decrease in upper ocean heat content from March to April was 1C – largest since 1979″
Watts Up With That? ^ | May 7, 2010 | Dr. Roger Pielke Senior--posted by Anthony Watts

Posted on 05/08/2010 10:08:51 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach

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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
That's interesting too. Looks to be consistent with the ~70? day period of the 2nd chart.

Looking at "global" temperatures on an annual scale seems to be too low of a resolution to describe "climate" to me. I want to know the future of the Winter months more than those of Spring and Fall.

21 posted on 05/08/2010 12:38:18 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Sacajaweau

“Profiling the ocean is more important than profiling “terrorists”...right?”

Profiling the ocean might be important because it puts the lie to algore, the GW Terrorist - so this, you see, does both :)


22 posted on 05/08/2010 12:44:34 PM PDT by GGpaX4DumpedTea (I am a tea party descendant - steeped in the Constitutional legacy handed down by the Founders)
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bttt


23 posted on 05/08/2010 1:26:09 PM PDT by Matchett-PI (Jim Wallis speaks for Christians the same way that Jesse Jackson speaks for all blacks.)
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To: wiggen

There is a product called Solar Pill that coats the top of swimming pool water and supposedly helps the water retain warmth.

I asked the owner of our pool store and she said it worked, but a dome works better. We have a vinyl dome over our above-ground and she added that the Solar Pill would not give us any additional heat.

The thing contains a fluid that *coats* the water. It is placed in the skimmer.


24 posted on 05/08/2010 5:22:26 PM PDT by reformedliberal ("If it takes a blood bath, let's get it over with." R. Reagan)
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To: reformedliberal

i suspect different fluids will have different results. I can’t believe the question even popped into my head.


25 posted on 05/08/2010 5:30:51 PM PDT by wiggen (Government owned slave.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
The North Pacific is Cold, Cold, Cold.

Will have to see how the summer sun warms it up. Solar activity is up and down like a yo yo, but still not getting active enough to cause overall warming. No summer for many.

26 posted on 05/08/2010 5:54:24 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: B.O. Plenty
Does this mean that we are doomed?.....
Yes - but its because the usurper is in our White House with every act designed to chip away at our great nation - not because of the weather ... ;-(
27 posted on 05/08/2010 7:53:09 PM PDT by Tunehead54 (Nothing funny here ;-)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
"The graphing techniques can be misleading for someone not up to speed....guess I am in that group."
I think a large percentage of us are in that group. As to what part of what ocean basin the measurements where conducted in. I believe the main article is referencing measurements in the southern pacific.
28 posted on 05/08/2010 8:03:58 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned....)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Then again. The wording could mean a composite global sea surface anomaly. I’m confused at the moment. Must re-read the whole article to try to figure out if it is a given ocean’s measurements or the total means of all the oceans. This stuff can wreck one’s mind at times.


29 posted on 05/08/2010 8:10:09 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned....)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
From the spread sheet...PDF form... I cut heading of the data set....It reads:
Equatorial Heat Content (average temperature in the upper 300 meters deg C)130E-80W.

So we know wording in the article keep referring to El Nino, and the Pacific Ocean is mentioned multiple times.
I deduce the 1 degree C drop therefore is referring to the equator across some section of the Pacific Ocean.
30 posted on 05/08/2010 8:17:27 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned....)
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To: Marine_Uncle; justa-hairyape
Studying it....

Looking at the map at post #26....posted by justa-hairyape

I would say that blue area just off the west coast of South America is the upwelling cold area....but from the spreadsheet where does the E meaning East come in?...

Referring to the heading:

Equatorial Heat Content (average temperature in the upper 300 meters deg C) 130E-80W

Back to the ballgame...

31 posted on 05/08/2010 8:46:31 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Marine_Uncle
Going back to JoNova found a link to this animation from Siliggy:ON May 2nd, 2010 at 2:37 am:

Sea Surface Temperature Anomaly Image Animation (45N-45S)

over the past six months

32 posted on 05/08/2010 8:51:15 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Cooler ocean water....

Which only goes to show you that man-made global warming is real. :=) (At least, I'm sure that's what Al Gore would tellyou.)

33 posted on 05/08/2010 9:11:07 PM PDT by Bob
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; justa-hairyape
As usual I am running out of steam. Had billions of mindless folks hit me up for eight hours in my Home Depot electrical department... groan....
I had noticed JHA's posting. As his posting indicated most of the Pacific is cold as shit based on that graph.
A NOTE. Within the past week I remember reading, perhaps it was one of Lindeze's comments at WUWT, that the new Argus System is not being used to officially enter data into a given database for statistical study that supports NASA/CRU's world surface temperatures (ocean specific).
It is being used of course but only within the framework of a experimental tool. But what little I have had the chance to read this new system is basically superior to anything to date to measure ocean temperature gradients at various depths.
Draw your own conclusions. I do not by any means this early in this acknowlegement, assuming I am accurate, feel anyone should be required to respond. It will bear good fruit if it is the truth.
But if it turns out to be true. I just might finally be possible for our scientist to start getting some very reliable stratified ocean temperature measurements. Obviously this could mean a real step forward in how the whole climate science is directed.
I digress. The main article is dealing with only the equatorial area of the Pacific Ocean.
And I for one do not like the way NASA, NOOA often present "anomalies". It can be so misleading.
As we are quite aware, an anomaly is just that. A out of an average or mean distribution.
We have seen in the past presentations here from WUWT and elsewhere of how one stat system will show totally different temperature gradients over both land surfaces as well as sea with superimposed on another system's measurements.
There is just to damn much variance and confusion on measurement be they raw or messaged and or the resultant statistical messaging that goes on.

At any rate, I have to soon hit the rack. Do have a great upcoming day.
34 posted on 05/08/2010 9:20:54 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned....)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Equatorial Pacific 130 E of Greenwich is where Indonesia and New Guinea meet. 80 W of Greenwich is near Ecuador. Basically the Big Equatorial Band of the Pacific. They have more or less been ignoring the cold North Pacific shallow waters all Winter. They are located north of the El Nino/La Nina equatorial region. Shallow waters directly affect precipitation. The colder waters they are referring to in this article are located below shallow water or in the deeper region of shallow water. That cold is rising up to replace the warmth. Perhaps that is the end cycle of Ocean Heat Loss. Trade winds stop. Ocean currents no longer store shallow radiative heat into deep basins. That heat is given off back into the atmosphere. Then eventually the lack of warmer water going into the deep basins causes a cold upwelling. Basically, the oceans just lost a ton of heat. Next winter should be very, very cold. Bitter cold. Unless of course the sun can stay cranked up for a long time. But winter is already just about set in. How did those idiots refer to it ? Oh yeah. Its in the pipe line, dude.


35 posted on 05/08/2010 10:50:07 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: Marine_Uncle

The Unisys data uses the color green between blue and yellow. The reason NASA does not is because they have to act like clowns apparently to get funding. NASA plots always look warmer then they actually are. They use every trick in the book and then some. But basically, except for a small band near the Equator, the entire North Pacific is Cold. A few areas very cold. But NASA has all its eggs in the narrow El Nino basket, so who cares about the PDO.


36 posted on 05/08/2010 11:16:29 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: justa-hairyape

Sorry about that. NASA should read NOAA.


37 posted on 05/08/2010 11:17:20 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: justa-hairyape
WUWT Article:

Hotness is in the eye of the beholder

******************************EXCERPT********************************

Posted on by Anthony Watts

I’ve mentioned before how chosen color schemes greatly influence how people see surface temperature data. Frank points out that sea surface temperature presentations suffer from the same problem. – Anthony

Guest post by Frank Lansner

This is no news – but still needs to be told. NOAA can in many contexts come up with the hottest temperatures available. Here we take a look at the European Sea Surface Temperatures as of 3 may 2010.

NOAA vs. UNISYS, SST, Europe. When I look at this compare, again and again I have to check if these SST are from the very same date, 3 may 2010. But they are. Differences are immense to an extend where it hardly makes sense to look after the European SST?
NOAA is hotter than UNISYS in for example these waters:

The Baltic Sea, The North Sea, The Caspian Sea,

And in addition,

The Black Sea has NOAA Approx. 3,5 K warmer than UNISYS, and

The NOAA hotspot area” North of Scandinavia: NOAA Approx. 4 – 6 K warmer than UNISYS .

Is there a valid sound simple explanation for these great differences?

In addition NOAA uses a colour scheme that makes Europe look as if surrounded by burning lava. It’s quite a difference to the impression you get when looking at the UNISYS graphic.
So which graphic is correct? For the Baltic, here’s what the “jury” says, SMHI (From Sweden) has an updated SST for the Baltic Sea from exactly 3 may 2010:

The 3 graphics agree reasonably for the Northern Baltic Sea, but for the rest of the Baltic Sea, SMHI shows in average around – 1,5 degrees Celsius anomaly. Both UNISYS and NOAA show too warm temperatures, but NOAA far worse than UNISYS. So, NOAA is around 2 K warmer in this area than SMHI – the best estimate.
Europe is not the only area where NOAA has warmer temperatures than UNISYS. NOAA appears markedly warmer than UNISYS on the Northern Hemisphere – but a little colder than UNISYS in areas of the Southern Hemisphere:

38 posted on 05/09/2010 7:52:05 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: justa-hairyape

Agree in full. Blue/green representation of temp gradients verse red/yellow. Along with all else you had to say. Clowns need funding. And guys like Hansen must have their dream of killing off millions of people in the cause to save humanity.


39 posted on 05/09/2010 12:42:10 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned....)
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Thanks Ernest_at_the_Beach.
 
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40 posted on 05/09/2010 7:04:37 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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