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Researchers seeking the fourth property of electrons
Helmholtz Association of German Research Centres ^ | July 20, 2010 | Unknown

Posted on 07/20/2010 1:39:51 PM PDT by decimon

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To: decimon
Dunno.

I like an honest person. Hat's off to ya.

41 posted on 07/20/2010 8:05:28 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The Last Boy Scout)
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To: Monkey Face
At my age...*kof*...I’ve been mistaken for someone half my age.

I payed that guy at 7-11 to card you for the liquor.

42 posted on 07/20/2010 8:13:09 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The Last Boy Scout)
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To: Durus; decimon

If the electrons are like a ‘shell’ around the atoms and ions, wouldn’t they be like the ‘shells’ that are the outer layers of our atmosphere?

Or like the Van Allen radiation belt?


43 posted on 07/20/2010 8:18:21 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The Last Boy Scout)
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To: UCANSEE2

*kof*
*kof*
(jeeze)
*kof*
Once in my life have I been carded. And only because I asked him...since I was 14...


44 posted on 07/20/2010 8:26:22 PM PDT by Monkey Face (Welcome home to my awesome army grandson!! Prayers and yellow ribbons for Anoreth of CG fame!)
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To: UCANSEE2

U jest, right?


45 posted on 07/20/2010 8:27:51 PM PDT by Monkey Face (Welcome home to my awesome army grandson!! Prayers and yellow ribbons for Anoreth of CG fame!)
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To: Monkey Face

About what?


46 posted on 07/20/2010 8:32:28 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The Last Boy Scout)
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To: Monkey Face
Once in my life have I been carded. And only because I asked him...since I was 14...

So... did he buy the liquor for you?

47 posted on 07/20/2010 8:39:45 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The Last Boy Scout)
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To: UCANSEE2

All of the above? (She asks, coyly...)


48 posted on 07/20/2010 8:49:27 PM PDT by Monkey Face (Welcome home to my awesome army grandson!! Prayers and yellow ribbons for Anoreth of CG fame!)
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To: UCANSEE2

*snark*

Non, mon brer! Moi was/is capable of buying the liquor for moi...In those days, I could FAKE it! And I did!


49 posted on 07/20/2010 8:57:49 PM PDT by Monkey Face (Welcome home to my awesome army grandson!! Prayers and yellow ribbons for Anoreth of CG fame!)
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To: UCANSEE2

What?


50 posted on 07/20/2010 9:03:26 PM PDT by Monkey Face (Welcome home to my awesome army grandson!! Prayers and yellow ribbons for Anoreth of CG fame!)
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To: Monkey Face

Isn’t it past your bedtime?


51 posted on 07/20/2010 10:07:00 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The Last Boy Scout)
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To: Monkey Face
Moi was/is capable of buying the liquor for moi...In those days, I could FAKE it! And I did!

'Moi' still didn't answer whether he threw her out or not.

52 posted on 07/20/2010 10:08:36 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The Last Boy Scout)
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To: Monkey Face
What?

If you were 14 and he carded you, did he let you buy (i.e. he bought it), or did he throw you out?

And quit answering a question with a question.

If we both do it, we could end up in an infinite loop.

Know what I mean?

53 posted on 07/20/2010 10:12:51 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The Last Boy Scout)
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To: UCANSEE2

Who have you been talking to, she asks.

And why is my bedtime a subject to be discussed?


54 posted on 07/20/2010 11:04:45 PM PDT by Monkey Face (Welcome home to my awesome army grandson!! Prayers and yellow ribbons for Anoreth of CG fame!)
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To: UCANSEE2

Jeeze.

No one EVER threw me out of anyplace that liked my cute face and my big boobs. ;o]


55 posted on 07/20/2010 11:08:44 PM PDT by Monkey Face (Welcome home to my awesome army grandson!! Prayers and yellow ribbons for Anoreth of CG fame!)
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To: UCANSEE2

Life sucks. No one has carded me in FOREVER! My boobs were big enough at 14 that no one qestioned me for anything; I had to ask a bartender in Wyoming (Of all places) to PLEASE card me so I could show my ID.


56 posted on 07/20/2010 11:21:07 PM PDT by Monkey Face (Welcome home to my awesome army grandson!! Prayers and yellow ribbons for Anoreth of CG fame!)
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To: decimon; SunkenCiv; E8crossE8
If it is found that the electron has a permanent electric dipole moment (.i.e. larger than 10−40 e·cm ) then the Standard Model has to be modified or replaced. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electron_electric_dipole_moment but a 90 % confidence level is not good enough

A technical powerpoint http://www.lns.cornell.edu/~journalc/public/talk/051129_Prasad.ppt
57 posted on 07/20/2010 11:23:33 PM PDT by AdmSmith (GCTGATATGTCTATGATTACTCAT)
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To: AdmSmith

Since 90% confidence isn’t enough, the 10% confidence that it isn’t so will have to do, eh? ;’)


58 posted on 07/21/2010 4:14:50 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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To: SunkenCiv

The laymen usually misunderstand how little “90%” is as a confidence level - and some traders with fear masterfully abuse this ignorance. 90% vs 10% is not that “qualitatively” far from 50% vs 50% - and one can transform one to the other by a “slight” pressure in the methodology and the formulae. If you want to be scientifically confident about a conclusion, you should really demand 99.9% or more. And it’s actually not that hard to obtain such stronger evidence assuming that your hypothesis is actually correct and the “signal” exists.
http://motls.blogspot.com/2010/03/defending-statistical-methods.html


59 posted on 07/22/2010 12:09:26 AM PDT by AdmSmith (GCTGATATGTCTATGATTACTCAT)
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In particular, discoveries of new particles by colliders do require 5 sigma. No one would have claimed a discovery of a top quark at 3 sigma - which would only be viewed as a suggestive yet vague hint.

Once again, this increase is needed because people often cook their results to make “discovery claims” that are bogus: it’s easy to “improve” the tests. If you try 10 variations of the same test, one of them will show a (fake) effect at a 90% confidence level: that’s what the 90% confidence level means, by definition. Unfortunately, many researchers are approaching the things in this way.

With a 5-sigma discovery, such cheating becomes virtually impossible because you would need a million of variations of your paper - and only one of them would show a fake positive. On the other hand, it’s not “infinitely more difficult” to get 5-sigma results relatively to 3-sigma results. Because the relative errors go like “1/sqrt(N)” where N is the number of events (whose average you’re calculating, in a way), you only need to increase the number of events by a factor of “(5/3)^2 = 2.7778” to go from 3 sigma to 5 sigma.


60 posted on 07/22/2010 12:12:11 AM PDT by AdmSmith (GCTGATATGTCTATGATTACTCAT)
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