Posted on 09/10/2011 10:06:52 AM PDT by Java4Jay
How is this propaganda spread? IOW are any of the posters here on FR doing their job of spreading misinformation by attacking people who just want to know the truth?
Placemark for later reading.
You are still on the job and that is much appreciated. Devotees of nuke power will never, ever admit any danger from nukes. None so blind as those who do not wish to see.
Wait, what?? Have we dealt with the old madrid fault yet???
Hyperbole is just an anagram for Perby Hole.
It's the future's fault! We have to stop the future before it kills us!
Some people aren’t happy unless they are miserable...
I checked Radnet on Friday for Seattle and Atlanta. I am no scientist but it didn’t look bad. If you have contra indicators please share. We have some conern about what’s coming from Fukashima.
When you dig into the people behind this kind of report, you will find anti-nuclear and anti-oil use activists. They are radicals and they want to end the use of energy through fear.
Man made global warming “science” came out of this herd. Before that, they tried to ban the use of oil in the name of global cooling “science.” This is just one branch of their anti-energy use fear mongering. The radical Left wants to control energy use for centralized economic and social control and population reduction.
These people, who are so worried about people dying, are the same people who would freeze you to death to save the planet from you heating your house and forcefully cut the baby from your sister’s womb to end over population Chinese comrade style.
Keeping the character and world view of the source in mind, know you have yet to find the truth about the health consequences. Likewise, on Free Republic you will find some people who live in reaction to the constant threat of Leftist economic and social oppression.
They have us living in a Chinese style, totally polluted and over-populated enviornment, to make a buck today. They have no brakes on their pro industry, materialistic band wagon. They will gladly overpopulate the US with open borders to get cheap labor. Profit is all that matters. If it feels good, do it is the motto. It’s the church of Ayn Rand and currently Ron Paul is it’s Pope.
Early in the disaster, I would say that some of the ‘professional vitriole’ leveled at people who wanted information was gov and nuke industry driven - partly because some of the people writing page length detailed attacks on anyone posting anything about Fukushima said they were nuclear engineers or held other positions in the nuke industry.
But some people- for example a poster who sneered at me that he worked around nukes in the navy and he was fine etc. - had some interaction with nukes and feel they did not personally suffer for it therefore all concern about Fukushima seems to remind them of people who ‘worried’ excessively back when they joined the navy etc.
Some people have family members in the nuke industry and have heard the ‘right attitude’ to have toward nuclear energy from them for years and none of their family members have cancer so concerns re fukushima must be alarmist.
After Fukushima - a US nuke plant held an ‘open house’ for the community. They opened the doors of the plant and led cautious citizens through the plant so they could ‘see for themselves’ that there is nothing dangerous about nuke plants. How walking through a nuke plant would reassure someone about nuke safety is beyond me but there is the nuke industry approach that people are invariably irrational. For those who attended the ‘open house’ I imagine that concern about Fukushima may seem excessive -they’ve seen the inside of a nuke plant for themselves now. They’ve heard about how safe they are etc. But Japan built the largest nuke plant in the world right on top of a seismic fault without knowing it and you wouldn’t see that in a tour of that plant. After some east coast earthquakes hit a few weeks ago - this article appeared: “AP: “Quake risk to reactors greater than thought”
“Gov’t says 27 US reactors could be more vulnerable to earthquakes than previously thought”, according to the article on 9/2/2011. “
http://ex-skf.blogspot.com/2011/09/ap-quake-risk-to-reactors-greater-than.html
Back in March when Fukushima really went out of control - the US concluded that 25% of it’s nuclear plants were at risk (how to say this - vulnerable to hazard or?) because they currently held unsafe amounts of used fuel (like Fukushima reactors) in spent fuel ponds. The public was not aware of this and could not determine or evaluate the risks by touring or reading nuke industry publications. The reason it came to light is the nuke industry had to ask the government for funds to deal with excessive storage issues.
But there are lots and lots of safety precautions. Lots of them. And up until Fukushima - Arnie Gunderson said it was documented in numerous Nuke industry publications that it was ‘impossible’ for nuclear material to escape containment. So let’s say for 30 years you’ve heard that it’s impossible for nuclear material to escape containment and then Fukushima hits and there’s speculation that fuel has breached containment but no one has ‘proof’? And TEPCO says it hasn’t happened but other scientists say it has - there’s a reason why an intelligent person may conclude that ‘concerns’ are overblown. And some of those people came onto FR threads and called some of us ‘hysterics’ and leftists etc. because they really believed what they believed.
(As an aside, I was then reading a nuke worker’s blog because he seemed to be rather even handed - for example he pointed out that in photos coming out of Japan, the workers were shown wearing breathing apparatus incorrectly and that this could be lethal to them depending on where they were going in Fukushima with that apparatus - the black straps of the mask MUST be worn UNDER the white TYVEC hood and the pics showed the straps OVER. Once TEPCO admitted that the cores had melted down and ‘through’ containment - I went to that blog site to see how decades of having read that this was impossible would be dealt with. He said ‘good’ and some rationalization how this could be interpreted as good news. Yeah...I stopped reading his blog after that)
I have to wonder about ‘so-called’ experts (well they said they had education/experience) in the nuke industry who hurl the old banana (bananas contain some potassium that is radioactive WE ARE ALL GONNA DIE) example or the air travel stuff etc. If they really are/were experts - then they are quite aware that those comparisons are invalid. I feel the most concerted nuke industry effort came in around april/may when whoever I was posting with (and then they would band together and shriek in unison) would demand my credentials for posting or those who spent way too much focused energy on another FReeper who wouldn’t shut up when they told her to.
No, I don’t believe all objections that posts re risks etc. are ‘hysterical’ (that used to be the label attached to any thread discussing Fukushima...ah...good times...good times) originate from formal disinformation campaigns but there is an attitude that says the science is settled, nuclear radiation is safe and concerns are invalid. That attitude is present in some posts on this thread. Have no idea what motivates those people but the science is settled the other direction - starting back with the first physician to study radiation safety (John Gofman) and continuing onto the present ‘latest and greatest’ BEIR VII report.
Disinformation started back in the 50’s when the first us gov agency told a group of scientists to bully another scientist (I think his name was Prosser) out of publishing his proof that the government and nuke agency had lied to the public, intentionally under reporting the amount of radiation released in above ground testing by a factor of 10. So we’re talking about 50 plus years of disinformation saturation - I don’t think it’s easily identifiable now because it’s part of the fabric of our society.
Approximately 6 billion people will die over the next 75 years, if nothing is done!
Women, chilren, and minorities hardest hit!
In general that is true, but if you are downwind, that distance may not help you. Simulations run on the distribution of fallout from Fukushima show that the Western US actually experienced more fallout then western Japan. How is that possible ? Well the wind blows west to east at these latitudes and conditions were such that the radioactive release got sent by the jet stream very quickly eastward. Taking iodine tablets in the Western US during those major release events was the correct thing to do. Those that did not, have increased their chances of getting cancer. Remember how the radioactive level was higher in Boise for some strange reason ? You can see how by watching the following dispersion simulation video.
That should read Taking iodide tables and limiting outdoor exposure in the ...
Thanks from those of us still interested in this issue but know or understand little about nuclear power.
Your post is the kind which makes FR still the best place for learning and gaining information.
Matthew 10:28 (NKJV) And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. But rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
I agree! There are however, some things that cannot be discussed here and that is OK.
Basically giving anyone who chooses to buy their product a home radiation monitoring station hooked to a world-wide network.
Aside from that and given your obvious expert ice on the subject, are we in immediate danger and is there any way to protect ourselves? Or are we screwed?
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