Where Does All Earth's Gold Come From?

Science Daily ^ | September 9, 2011 | Science Daily Staff

[Louis Foxwell]

And with that, all scientific inquiry and rigors of proof are shut down. Is that really how you want to live your life?

I’m with Java, and, yep.

[coloradan]

Well, there are the chondrites, including the carboniferous chondrites, and there are the ferrous meteorites, then there are the “snowball” ice-based ones, and then finally there are the blingblingiferous meteorites. I guess.

[Interesting Times]

The removal of gold to the core should leave the outer portion of Earth bereft of bling.

This guy did the whole article just so he could write "bereft of bling."

[Diana in Wisconsin]

LOL! :)

[roamer_1]

Well, there are the chondrites, including the carboniferous chondrites, and there are the ferrous meteorites, then there are the “snowball” ice-based ones, and then finally there are the blingblingiferous meteorites.

[driftless2]

Too late. I've already dug out your backyard and am in the process of excavating all my neighbors yards with a backhoe. (smirk) Seriously though, I have a co-worker who has a brother who thinks he can pan for gold in the Mississippi. I told him his brother would be more likely to find diamonds in his turnip patch than gold in the Mississippi.

As a side note, there are industrial diamonds in Wisconsin around the Superior area. See you up there. (double yuk yuk)

[DManA]

That imagery in Revelation about a city of gold and sapphire and diamond sound pretty horrible to me. Where can you plant a garden in all that crystal and gold?

[PieterCasparzen]

And with that, all scientific inquiry and rigors of proof are shut down. Is that really how you want to live your life?

Man was given dominion over the earth by God, and man has spent thousands of years learning. There are numerous verses in the Bible which exhort the reader to learn and to seek wisdom and knowledge. There are other verses that caution the reader to not be prideful of his knowledge or wisdom - basically to avoid thinking that we know everything. The Church has always advocated for learning, contrary to the lies of today's far-left that are propagated throughout the institutions of entertainment, news and education.

The far-left has, only in the past 150 years or so, fomented the idea that to believe in the truth of the Bible was to be ignorant. The Bible is literally filled with exhortations to avoid ignorance and hypocrisy - and to not believe in lies, but to always seek the truth. In order to rise to power, the far-left needs people to give up their God-given rights and responsibilities regarding the fruits of their own labors - their private property - as well as self-defense, management of their households and children, opposition to tyranny, and opposition to immorality (what we know as sin) as well as their stewardship. Because of this need, the far-left has adopted the tactic of getting people to turn against the Bible and abandon it, so they no longer know or understand their rights and responsibilities given by God. This places the far-left at war with God.

[Robert A Cook PE]

Where Does All Earth’s Gold Come From? Supernovas. OK. Let's assume you are right. And then do the math required just to create all of the gold believed to be on earth. No other substances or elements, just the gold. Gold is Au 79, atomic weight 197. Simplest way to "build up" isotopes in a collider or supernova by fusion is to "add up" He4/2 nuclei: He is thought to be only 1/5 of the initial elements from the "Big Bang" (the rest being hydrogen H1/1, a small amount of H1/2 and H1/3, and a very, very little bit of Lithium. So, to create just one Au 79/197 atom, you need just under 40 collisions of He2/4 plus 37 extra neutrons at 0/1 atomic weight. (There are other ways, such as one simultaneous collision of between a Y39/89 + Zr40/91 + 17 neutrons ... but then still have to create the Yttrium39 and Zirconium40 (and find the 17 neutrons) in some earlier series of supernovas.) Once created, that atom of gold must drift randomnly (be blown out of the supernova directly towards the earth's future galactic position so it can be gathered into the pre-solar systems mass of dust and plasmas. Then that gold atom must avoid being sucked into the dust balls of the sun, Jupiter, Saturn, Neptune, Uranus, Venus, etc and actually be collected by earth's dust ball. And all of this must happen BEFORE the sun lights up the solar system - since we know the earth's orbit is essentially unchanged since the solar system was formed. (Earth-moon collision included: That would only blow our single gold atom out of the earth's crust at some 4.6 billion year ago and push it into earth orbit, the moon's crust, or back into the solar system. So, we now have one gold atom - formed by a single supernova and blasted out of that supernova into interstellar space, gathered into the solar system's area, gathered into earth's specific dust ball out of that whole area, then gathered and kept in the earth's mass. But you see, we don't have just one gold atom on earth: we have some 158,000 tonnes of gold actually mined - from ancient pre-history to today's date. (But you will have to tell me how many tonnes remain in the crust. That amount will be skipped from here on.) Regardless of reserves and not-mined-yet masses, we know absolutely that 158,000 tons has to have been created in the first place by your supernovas and blown through space and collected by earth's gravity - since that much has been actually mined and counted! Now, chemistry tells us reliably and by good measurements that a single "mole" of any pure substance weighs an atomic mass of that substance (KGS system required!) and contains one single Avogadro number of atoms of that substance. That is, a single mol of Helium weighs 4 grams, and has 6.02 x 10^23 atoms in those 4 grams. A single mol of carbon 12 weighs 12 grams and contains 6.02 x 10^23 atoms of C6/12. (Specifically, 6.02214179×10^23 mol−1 in grams, and 2.73159757×10^26 atoms/lb in pounds.) Thus, your supernova's must have created 158,000 tons of gold x 2200 lbs/ton x 2.73x10^26 atoms/lb number of gold atoms. That we have discovered and mined so far on earth. So, we have mined 9.48 x 10^34 gold atoms. So far. At 40 collisions of He2/4 (or one single simultaneous collision of 40 He2/4 ions plus 37 neutrons) that would require 3.79 x 10^36 collisions. (Doesn't matter whether you assume multiple supernova's or one single supernova, you still need to combine 40+ collisions of ions to create one gold ion. Plus the extra 37 neutrons so your gold isotope doesn't radioactively decay before it gets mined.) Now, these 3.8x10^36 collisions have to occur BEFORE your gold atoms get to today's solar system dust cloud, and after the Big Bang. Since the sun is said to have lit off and begun fusion some 4.6 billion years ago, and the Big Bang 14.5 billion to 13.7 billion years ago, all of the solar system's current mass must have collected in the time between 14 billion and 5 billion years ago. Call it a maximum of 9 billions of years of potential element formation: and that's ONLY if you assume a chain of supernova's in your creation tree, then you must account for the "coasting" of ions between one supernova and the next. Expansion of the universe? You need to include that as well in a realistic analysis. For now, let's assume that no supernova-created gold got blown away from earth. That no time was spent "coasting" between supernova events. That all of the earth's gold was actually created into one single dust cloud and that dust cloud was centered around earth's future orbit so none "was lost in space" after it was created. None of these are realistic, but they are required for your supernova theory to use the absolute minimum number of collisions and fusion steps. Thus, you require a chain of 3.8 x 10^36 supernova-inspired collisions to have occurred in only 9x10^9 years. 4.2 x 10^26 supernova-inspired collisions per year for 10^9 years. or you can believe in miracles. Which is more likely?

[Hot Tabasco]

remember what happened to Midas.

If I recall, he became a multi-millionaire installing mufflers........He's got franchises all over this country.

[PoloSec]

NONSENSE

It is a scientific fact that ages ago, gold was buried everywhere by Leprechauns.

[grey_whiskers]

The purpose of science is to predict and to control (...and nowadays, to enable and MBA to monetize...)

To what practical use can we *put* this information?

And you also seem to forget that if one engages in reductionism as a convenience for too long, one tends to mistake it for a coherent philosophy, leading one to be able to misuse the fruits of science for cruelty and oppression much more easily; not merely Josef Mengele but Japan's unit 731 -- not to mention the sale of tissue and body parts from aborted human embryos.

IOW, take your strawman and shove it up your ass. The advantage of the scientific method is not the pursuit of truth, but the presence of error bars. See also John Darsee and Michael Mann.

Cheers!

[grey_whiskers]

You just blew Poul Anderson's Lodestar all to hell.

Goodbye, Supermetals.

Nicholas van Rijn is *deeply* saddened.

(Well done. Consider yourself *highly* commended!)

Cheers!

[grey_whiskers]

It is a scientific fact that ages ago, gold was buried everywhere by Leprechauns.

You'd have to ask Artemis Fowl about that...

and DON'T let Holly Short catch you.

Cheers!

[Skepolitic]

“Because of tungsten’s high melting point, it is not commercially feasible to cast tungsten ingots.”

Leaving aside the Ft Know theory, it is indeed commercially feasible to cast tungsten ingots if they can be passed off as gold. This outfit offers tungsten ingot for sale: http://www.americanelements.com/wmi.html. With today’s high gold prices, jewelers are even manufacturing tungsten jewelry.

[Robert A Cook PE]

Ya know, I’d look a heck of a lot more competent iffen I’d been using the Preview feature (rather than a text editor) to be sure I had actually inserted all those missing paragraph markers that got wiped out by the exponential notation markers. .

Drat. Darn it. Heck. Shoot even. 8<)

[Taffini]

bump gold

[Daffynition]

When are you gonna come down
When are you going to land
I should have stayed on the farm
I should have listened to my old man

You know you can't hold me forever
I didn't sign up with you
I'm not a present for your friends to open
This boy's too young to be singing the blues

So goodbye yellow brick road
Where the dogs of society howl
You can't plant me in your penthouse
I'm going back to my plough

Back to the howling old owl in the woods
Hunting the horny back toad
Oh I've finally decided my future lies
Beyond the yellow brick road

What do you think you'll do then
I bet that'll shoot down your plane
It'll take you a couple of vodka and tonics
To set you on your feet again

Maybe you'll get a replacement
There's plenty like me to be found
Mongrels who ain't got a penny
Sniffing for tidbits like you on the ground

[repeat chorus]

© 1973 Dick James Music Limited

[Krankor]

Where Does All Earth's Gold Come From?

Professor Pepperwinkle

[Diana in Wisconsin]

As Laz woulds say, "I'd hit it!"