Posted on 03/20/2012 4:55:36 AM PDT by Renfield
In the battle for genetic survival, who's smarter: the 43% that sponge & breed like rats; or the 57% who feed, clothe, and house the 43% by working themselves to such an extent that they breed at less than replacement levels?
In any case, interesting article...and comments.
Truth is, though, they are ALL wrong...even the classification!
It should really be Homo Habitual-Cuss -> H. Erect-Cuss -> H. Meandering-Cuss -> H. Magnum-Cuss -> H. Modern-Cuss -> H. Domestic-Cuss, with a co-lateral wild population side-branch, H. Rotten-Cuss.
Naturally, there are a few dead end & extinct offshoots & side branches here & there, but that is the basic phylogeny.
Oh, and H. Domestic-Cuss is currently dividing into separate strains: H. D ssp Effeticuss & H.D. ssp Robusticuss...AKA Liberals & Conservatives.
Yes I know that.
It may very well turn out that there has been genetic input into modern Humans from the Neanderthals, but this research doesnt prove it.
Once again, for any newcomers or anybody who might have missed it, this is what Neanderthals looked like (with the 8" fur coat removed):
With the fur coat:
Images courtesy of www.themandus.org
The 8" fur coat is why nobody's ever found a Neanderthal needle, a creature with an 8" fur coat doesn't NEED clothing or needles. SunnkenCiv and one or two other Neanderthal-Apologists on FR are basically perpetrating a fraud at this point.
If that thing in your pictures is what Neanderthals really looked like, then that thing wasn’t making pressure flaked stone blades and fashioning them to spears and such. No way in God’s green earth. That thing is quite a few evolutionary steps short of a tool making animal.
Neanderthals were cannibals who buried their own dead, which is sort of a conundrum if you think about it. They find Neanderthal bones with cut marks from butchering and no indication of Cro Magnons having eaten them or been around. What it suggests is that, like chimpanzees or mammalian predators, they never had any sort of organization beyond the family group level and probably viewed the living world as two separate categories i.e. their own family group, and meat.
Other than that.... they did have fire (which they had to be terribly careful of with the 8” fur coats), and they did have stone tools. Other hominids appear to have had stone tools as well.
I remember that when I first started reading about this on FR that the DNA was showing that modern humans and Neaderthals couldn’t interbreed. The ‘boners; held out that they could.
Wonder what the next twist will be?
OK, I may be dense. My wife says so anyway. But I fail to see the relevance of the verse to the subject???
I don’t know. Men in modernish times have been known to mate with walruses, goats, chicken, horses, and each other.
How ugly can the girls be compared to that? Excepting Helen Thomas, of course.
Interesting. Did he actually get fetuses, viable or not? Do you have a specific link that you are relying on, rather than me googling up a thousand? Thanks.
I believe they were talking about mitochondrial DNA, and found no evidence of interbreeding, Studies of other parts of the DNA show substantial evidence of interbreeding. I think mitochondrial has some unique properties with respect to ancestry that should be considered when analyzing ancestral interbreeding.
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I think that means the neanderthal males bred with the homo sapien females since the mitochondrial DNA is passed through the females. (I may have this backwards.)
You’re saying the females of neanderthal species would be too repugnant for the male of the homo sapien species.
I’ll buy that.
However, since the data shows that the mitochondria didn’t change—what that means is that it was male neanderthal that interbred with homo sapien females.
They also place the interbreeding +-125,000 years ago in the middle east
That’s entirely possible. All that would take would be one battle between homo sapiens and neanderthals in which the neanderthals won and killed the homo sapien males. In the middle east the neanderthals coexisted with the homo sapiens according to the data up until 50,000 years ago. That puts them in the same area as homo sapiens for at least 75000 years. That leaves plenty of time for a neanderthal male to get lucky.
... If no Neanderthal mitochondrial DNA is found, that indicates that any inter-racial mating involved Neanderthal men mating CroMag women... 37 posted by PapaBear3625
Yes. It seems the Cro Mag ladies returned to their Cro Mag families after the (perhaps involuntary) experience, and if any vice versa matings occurred, the Neanderthal ladies did not join Cro Mag.
There are two reasons for rejecting that, either of which alone would suffice.
Having that happen 125K years ago would be well prior to the recent bottleneck; all humans would have the Neanderthal genes, and not just Asians and Caucasians.
Two, what that would have to involve, would be some Neanderthal male kidnapping and raping a human woman and then, rather than cooking and eating her (as usual)keeping her alive long enough to bear a cross-species child and then somehow raising that freak child to be old enough to breed back into human populations and somehow trick the humans into not immediately killing all of the crossspecies freaks and freaklets involved in all of that.
In real life of course, the original woman would either be cooked and eaten when the Neanderthal male was finished with her or killed by the Neanderthal females the first time her new owner left her alone for fifteen secondes...
Use your head, this **** is an evolutionite fairytale.
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