Posted on 12/10/2013 6:47:13 AM PST by Lazamataz
Yours (along with Lazamataz’s) is one of the few sane posts on this issue I’ve seen on this forum in days. Let me repeat (paraphrasing myself) what I’ve said to re-enforce:
The man is dead. He hasn’t done anything of consequence (good or bad) in 20 years. In the last 15, at least, he’s only been at best a figurehead people of SA cling to as some kind of token reminder of a (fanciful?) glorified past.
A week ago, no one gave a flying fig about Mandela, now he’s become a reason to not only throw the Pope and Bush under the bus, but Ted Cruz, a man who is probably the most conservative of any viable presidential candidate for 2016.
Have we learned nothing from last year? Do we want the horrible “choice” of another Romney/McCain, or worse, some hopeless 3rd party candidate?
If things go well in 2014, (and that’s a big if, granted) then this country is going to need solid conservative leadership in the White House to finally excise the cancer of Obamacare from this country. It’s just not going to get done in 2015 or 2016, and certainly not in 2017 if we continue down this road of circular self destruction!
Wake UP people and look at the big picture for once! Pragmatism is NOT a bad word!
In my opinion, Fidel has been worm food for a long time. And the persona we hear talked about is a double stand in to extend the legend.
In my opinion, they attempted the same thing with Chavez, but ran into complications.
Call me nutty if you like, but that is what I believe.
I do not believe that Fidel was miraculously healed of his cancer by the wonderful Cuban doctors. /sarcasm
No, reverse-apartheid was not the goal Mandela had, at least publicly, in wor or action as President. Heck, in his position I’d have looked up the jailers who beat me and hung them from a pike. Mandela forgave his jailers for their treatment. Are there white townships where the black majority has ‘allowed’ whites to live in (with razor wire and guards assisting them to stay in)?
In his early years he was a radical, in later life, he did what he could gor all of South Africa.
One mans terrorist is another mans patriot
Pragmatism aside, I don’t see a problem with Cruz’s principles, in attending the funeral to pay respects — and thusly showing class, while recognizing that Mandela WAS instrumental in the overthrow of a heinous system — and then later speaking of the horrors Mandela visited on his countrymen, as well as Mandela’s poor political judgments with regards to communism.
The current state of South Africa speaks to none of that being true. There was a reason Mandela was on the terrorism watchlist as late as 2008. And please leave out the leftist slogans.
I understand. It is an overused axiom, oft misapplied.
Here, however, I feel it makes sense -- and applies.
1.This.... (((The ULTIMATE FAUX PAS of all FAUX PAS is NOT to attend his planting.))) got me to thinking that Cruz could not give a crap about Mandela. He is just attending as a world leader. And if Cruz is seen as a powerful world leader attending the funeral along with other past and present world leaders, then will he not reap dividends in his '14 race? I think so.
2 (((Almost equal to this would be saying "I hope he fails" about Obama.))) Limbaugh was correct in saying this in 2008. And hoping Obama fails is still the fervent hope of all conservatives. Especially ObamaCare. I hope that fails on many MANY levels.
” For his contribution to the downfall of Apartheid, he can receive some accolades.”
Blacks in South Africa were better off under White Apartheid.
So, what is left to praise, that a black communist substantially regressed progress for black South Africans?
Dat wacis!
;-)
“Mandela is not a total saint, nor is he all monster. Complex is a good word for him.”
The same can be said about everyone sherlock.
The problem with Mandela is that he was a self-avowed communist, founded the South African communist party, was a pro-abortion atheist and hated the US.
He was a South African version of Obama. Became president only because he was black and the South African economy went right down the toilet where it still is today.
South Africa was once a great country where the first heart transplant was ever performed. Well, not anymore. Now they lead the world in the rape statistics.
He was still the finest President of my life time.
Pragmatism is a bad word. Faith is a good word. Is it not written, cursed be the man that trusts in man and makes flesh his arm?
Facts are facts. They’ll come bubbling back to the surface when the sheen of “moderation” and complacency seems like an impenetrable surface too.
Unlike Mandela, our current President has nothing to redeem him, likewise Hillary.
Whoa. Problem of South Africa is an example of what happens when a nation leaves its own borders and colonizes another. If the US knew how to pick their own cotton in lieu of bringing in Africans as slaves, we would not have to deal with a liberated group who wants vengeance on whites. think how much higher our test scores and lower our crime would be if we did not import blacks into this country. Same with South Africa, if the English and Dutch stayed in their own country and not go explore, exploit, mistreat and colonize Asia and Africa, they would not end up with legacy whites facing avenging Asians and Africans. You reap what you sow. Our fore fathers had and inkling of this and warned us not to go overseas and get entangled in overseas affairs.
Today we still have empire builders and police man of the world mentality in our society chomping at the bit to test out our high tech weapons on someone. South Africa is a lesson for the US to stay within the two vast oceans and the rich resource land that God gave us to develop a New World. Keep to that tenet and the US will have peace and prosperity for generations to come. Otherwise Homeland Security will be our way of life and constant puzzlement why the US is hated by many overseas.
Correct.
Even his golf game sucks.
He was an okay President; I agreed with his spoken politics but not all he did. He is not to be worshipped.
Very few Americans understand the true reasons for apartheid. It's reasoning was similar to the situation we have in the USA now that we have reached the tipping point. More takers than payers. However we only have a small imbalance. South Africa had a 10 to 1 imbalance.
Although the system of apartheid was not ideal it allowed the educated thus productive providers to educate, feed and house many of the majority.
I lived in West Africa and traveled to S.A. often. When I first visited S.A. I was very unsettled to see the system, then I learned the reasoning behind it and saw the good side.
The opposite can be said about Zimbabwe which had no such restraints. South Africa is now following in the footsteps of that corrupt and racist State.
Sorry, but that’s an upside-down argument. And no Founding Father ever said to not get entangled in overseas affairs; that’s a misquote of Washington.
Only war will follow Pax Americana, which has been torn down almost completely by the current president. Give up the role as world policeman, and those that want to take over will instead be the world brutes.
You do know that slavery still goes on in Africa, right?
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