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Fossilized maize, rice found in Temanggung
Jakarta Post ^
| Wednesday, October 29, 2014
| Agus Maryono
Posted on 11/02/2014 7:31:10 PM PST by SunkenCiv
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11/02/2014 7:31:10 PM PST
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SunkenCiv
To: SunkenCiv
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posted on
11/02/2014 7:32:49 PM PST
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GeronL
(Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
Jan Carl, from the comments section:
> Maize originates from the selection of teosinte varieties by Central American farmers centuries ago. The maize plant as we know it today has undergone further selection since the time it was “discovered” by the Spaniards who colonized Central America. It is highly unlikely that the grains found by Indonesians archaeologists in Java were maize (unless its origin was very recent), and it is also unlikely that the material found (whatever it is) was “fossilized”.
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11/02/2014 7:33:30 PM PST
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SunkenCiv
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To: SunkenCiv
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11/02/2014 7:33:50 PM PST
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chajin
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11/02/2014 7:33:56 PM PST
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SunkenCiv
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To: SunkenCiv
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posted on
11/02/2014 7:36:29 PM PST
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Veggie Todd
(The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. TJ)
To: SunkenCiv
The word ‘maize’ might be a translation error, or its use there is not the same as in America. The original may have indicated the more generic ‘corn’?
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posted on
11/02/2014 7:40:14 PM PST
by
jjotto
("Ya could look it up!")
To: Veggie Todd
Showing your age, grasshopper, lol
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11/02/2014 7:42:36 PM PST
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dsrtsage
(One half of all people have below average IQ. In the US the number is 54%i)
To: SunkenCiv
An earlier team of archeologists had also found fossilized grains of rice, indicating that food security in Java was well-managed during that time.Aw crap. They had EBT cards, and no grocery-store-deserts, even back then.
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11/02/2014 7:44:36 PM PST
by
Lazamataz
(First we beat the Soviet Union. Then we became them. We have no 'news media', only a Soviet Pravda.)
To: chajin
I’ll GET you for that one.
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posted on
11/02/2014 7:44:55 PM PST
by
Lazamataz
(First we beat the Soviet Union. Then we became them. We have no 'news media', only a Soviet Pravda.)
To: Veggie Todd
mmm...
Are there any other records of maize/corn outside of the Americas from over 1000 years ago?
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11/02/2014 7:46:13 PM PST
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jjotto
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To: SunkenCiv
It is highly unlikely that the grains found by Indonesians archaeologists in Java were maize (unless its origin was very recent), and it is also unlikely that the material found (whatever it is) was fossilized.Maybe they found a fossilized Iphone among the maize.
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posted on
11/02/2014 7:46:16 PM PST
by
Zhang Fei
(Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
To: SunkenCiv
Teosinte is hypothesized because it is the closest plant to corn genetically. There is no actual connection demonstrated, no intermediate plants.
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posted on
11/02/2014 8:17:20 PM PST
by
ThanhPhero
(Khach san La Vang hanh huong tham vieng Maria)
To: jjotto
It referenced teosinte so, while corn/maize probably did not actually derive from teosinte, Teosinte is found only in Central America and is the acceptable precursor for corn/maize because nothing else has been found. So the finders believe that the maize in derives from Central Americ.
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11/02/2014 8:20:27 PM PST
by
ThanhPhero
(Khach san La Vang hanh huong tham vieng Maria)
To: ThanhPhero
I did not see teosinte referenced in the linked article.
Corn being grown in Asia during pre-Columbian times would seem to be a really big discovery.
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11/02/2014 8:29:31 PM PST
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jjotto
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To: dsrtsage
Showing your age, grasshopper, lol
LOL. As are you.
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11/02/2014 9:25:49 PM PST
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Veggie Todd
(The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. TJ)
To: SunkenCiv
Maize? I thought maize was a new world food. Who knew?
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posted on
11/02/2014 9:36:48 PM PST
by
Conservative4Ever
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To: GeronL
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posted on
11/02/2014 10:12:02 PM PST
by
woerm
(student of history)
To: SunkenCiv
Although technically “fossilized” merely refers to something dug up in a state of preservation, the reference to maize does seem odd.
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posted on
11/02/2014 10:33:00 PM PST
by
stormer
To: jjotto
I think you’re right... a translation error.
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posted on
11/02/2014 10:47:06 PM PST
by
piasa
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