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Volkswagen faces billions in penalties as U.S. sues for environment violations
Reuters ^ | 1-4-2016 | JULIA EDWARDS AND JOEL SCHECTMAN

Posted on 01/04/2016 1:26:58 PM PST by Citizen Zed

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1 posted on 01/04/2016 1:26:58 PM PST by Citizen Zed
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To: Citizen Zed
I find the air to be quite clean.

Check out Peking for comparison.

2 posted on 01/04/2016 1:28:10 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: Citizen Zed

Working on automotive programs back in the early days of electronic engine control, people often joked that it might be cheaper to just rig the software to pass the CAFE testing. Guess not...


3 posted on 01/04/2016 1:35:28 PM PST by bigbob ("Victorious warriors win first and then go to war" Sun Tzu.)
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To: Citizen Zed

If a car that has been tweaked passes the government mandated test, then what is the issue?

It is their equipment, their test and they even put the little sticker on your windshield that proves that you pass.


4 posted on 01/04/2016 1:45:25 PM PST by dhs12345
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“If a car that has been tweaked passes the government mandated test, then what is the issue?”

The ‘issue’ is that they broke the law and mislead consumers.


5 posted on 01/04/2016 1:48:43 PM PST by TexasGator
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To: dhs12345

Because the tweaking wasn’t to actually pass the test, the tweaking was GAME the test. They made it so the computer would know the car is being tested and make the car run differently during the test, but under normal operating condition it would not pass the test.


6 posted on 01/04/2016 1:53:14 PM PST by discostu (Up-Up-Down-Down-Left-Right-Left-Right B, A, Start)
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And so the car will not pass the test sometime in the future? When the engine wears a bit — design to test margin?

Maybe this really proves that these tests are invalid and a joke. That the government set up the regulations and testing that are meaningless but cost the car manufacturers and consumers a fortune.

If a tweaked car passes, then clearly the test is not good enough.


7 posted on 01/04/2016 1:56:42 PM PST by dhs12345
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To: Citizen Zed

FUEPA.


8 posted on 01/04/2016 1:56:44 PM PST by Fresh Wind (Falcon 105)
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“If a tweaked car passes, then clearly the test is not good enough.”

If someone gives you a counterfeit $100 bill and your ‘test’ fails to detect it, it is ok to pass counterfeit bills?


9 posted on 01/04/2016 2:01:12 PM PST by TexasGator
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I would think that their defense is “we were just following the law. As written”


10 posted on 01/04/2016 2:03:28 PM PST by saleman
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They are. In 99/2000 I built a 79 Ford F150 with a 400 and several hot rod parts( Edelbrock intake/Holley 570 Vac secondary/ MSD Digital 6 ignition) and all emissions gear stripped. We took it to a station to have the smog check done for the hell of it.

The guy said it was cleaner than many new cars of that era.


11 posted on 01/04/2016 2:04:17 PM PST by Norm Lenhart (Existential Cage Theory - An idea whose time has come)
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Edit - Holley 670


12 posted on 01/04/2016 2:04:56 PM PST by Norm Lenhart (Existential Cage Theory - An idea whose time has come)
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To: dhs12345; saleman

§86.1809-01 Prohibition of defeat devices.

(a) No new light-duty vehicle, light-duty truck, or complete heavy-duty vehicle shall be equipped with a defeat device.


13 posted on 01/04/2016 2:08:25 PM PST by TexasGator
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I had a 86 CJ7. Left the stock motor in. Plugged every vaccuum tube, removed all emmision controls and yanked the cat. Passed with flying colors.


14 posted on 01/04/2016 2:15:32 PM PST by phs3 (FUBO)
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“VW could face fines in theory exceeding $90 billion - or as much as $37,500 per vehicle per violation of the law, based on the complaint. In September, government regulators initially said VW could face fines in excess of $18 billion.”


$37,500 per vehicle - which is more than the revenue per car, even if sold at list price (and few are). $90 billion!? That alone would bankrupt the company and throw hundreds of thousands of people out of work...before any other country got in on the raping and pillaging.

If I were VW, I’d just declare bankruptcy and let the various governments fight over the table scraps...but not before I took out a series of TV, print and internet ads, naming names and blaming overbearing regulations (foisted on the public by a bunch of nanny-staters) for the problems, including unemployment.


15 posted on 01/04/2016 2:22:31 PM PST by Ancesthntr ("The right to buy weapons is the right to be free." A. E. van Vogt)
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So a private corporation willingly violates established rules and is punished to the point of endangering its abilit to survive.

The government in the form of the irs does exactly the same thing and not only is no one held accountable but those involved are rewarded

Yeah. Government


16 posted on 01/04/2016 2:24:38 PM PST by Stand W ("Gentlemen! You can't fight in here! This is the WAR ROOM!"that look forward to opening up a can on)
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To: TexasGator

Then maybe their test for detecting counterfeit bills is not that good and they need to improve it?


17 posted on 01/04/2016 2:25:53 PM PST by dhs12345
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“And so the car will not pass the test sometime in the future? When the engine wears a bit — design to test margin?”

Please see CFR on ‘useful life’.


18 posted on 01/04/2016 2:26:14 PM PST by TexasGator
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To: Norm Lenhart

I bet. A well taken care of, well tuned engine can run very clean.


19 posted on 01/04/2016 2:27:25 PM PST by dhs12345
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To: Citizen Zed

Someday in the future people will try to figure out the history of the United States of America (or Western civilization in general) in the twentieth and twenty first centuries and think that there must have been something wrong with the drinking water as to make people so stupid as to destroy their civilization over the most mundane issues of the time (i.e. Climate “Change”). IMHO


20 posted on 01/04/2016 2:35:20 PM PST by freddy005
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