A Mysterious Mammoth Carcass Could Change Human History

Gizmodo ^ | 01/14/2016 | Maddie Stone

[Fred Nerks]

http://www.varchive.org/ce/index.htm

for your interest

[SunkenCiv]

Usually you have to remind me, I just wanted you to see it when I remember on my own. ;')

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The Cycle of Cosmic Catastrophes: Flood, Fire, and Famine in the History of Civilization by Richard Firestone, Allen West, and Simon Warwick-Smith

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[Fred Nerks]

[umgud]

Thanks

[Fred Nerks]

http://www.scribd.com/doc/21746106/Velikovsky-Earth-in-Upheaval#scribd

326 pages

[TigersEye]

Thanks! The Yenisey River does go about 400+ miles south. My floating mammoth theory can’t be dismissed. Yet. lol

[SunkenCiv]

Humans Were in the Arctic 10,000 Years Earlier Than Thought
http://www.smithsonianmag.com/ist/?next=/science-nature/humans-were-arctic-10000-years-earlier-thought-180957819/

[SunkenCiv]

Thanks!

[Fred Nerks]

Just a couple of minor problems. Their stomach contents were still undigested and their flesh was flash-frozen, some of the meat was fed to the dogs of the explorers.

[gleeaikin]

Just because we are getting older it doesn’t mean we are brain dead. ;-) I think, however, that this mammoth was long before the Catastrophy described by Firestone. A lot them from that time period were flash frozen and even with undigested buttercups in the stomach. It may have ended up in the river, been buried in sediment and become part of the permafrost for the next 40,000 years.

I too became very interested in Velikovsky about 45 years ago, read most of his books. I don’t agree with all his guesses, but it made me try to find other answers to conventional “truths”. I have a book somewhere in the house about Alaska which talks about great masses of animal bones slowly washing out of a cliff. Will try to find it and add here.

[TigersEye]

I don’t think that precludes it from having died in a river and shortly thereafter frozen and covered with silt. Floating 400 miles north could have taken the carcass from a cold place to a super cold place.

[metmom]

Mammoths must have tasted real good because you got a lot of convincing to do to get me to jab it with a sharpened stick.

LOLOL!!!!!!!

I was going to say *Good point* but I'll say *excellent observation* instead.

[SunkenCiv]

Yup, much earlier — but thought I’d plug the book anyway. ;’)

[wiggen]

Thats possible. I was thinking theymay have tracked it for awhile after seperating it from the herd but you run into the issue of getting all that meat back so the kill spot was likely no more than a few hours from their settlement or camp.

[PIF]

... discoveries are made that don’t fit the contemporary narrative they are either ignored, sh*tcanned or ridiculed.

or stored forever in some museum basement ...

[PIF]

I might add that an excellent example of hiding something which does not fit the meme are optical lenses. These are usually displayed (if displayed at all) in some obscure museum corner as ‘jewelry’.

In point of fact lenses were in common use prior to the Old Kingdom Egypt (at whatever date that really was). They were used as a reading aid (a sort of pince-nez arrangement or in a hand held arrangement as a magnifying glass. Still others were apparently used as telescopes for battlefield intel and for astronomy.

There was also a separate class of colored hollow glass balls used as mood alterers. Sometimes these glass balls were used to focus sun light and burn something combustible like incense.

Then there is Gobeki-Tepi which does not fit, but is too big to hide - as well as the wealth of large pyramid structures predating the ones at Giza, one by as much as 20,000 years (really whacking the meme upside the head).

[finnsheep]

One has to pay for a subscription to read the original article in Science. I wonder if it shows humans killed the animal or if maybe they stumbled upon it partially thawed a few thousand years later and ate some of it.

It is fascinating how many of these huge creatures seem to have been nearly flash frozen - - as some have said with their stomach contents intact. Strongly suggests a very dramatic incident.

[PIF]

For others: Yes many of IV's theories are controversial, but in context of the time in was right about one thing were everyone else was wrong. He was so hated for this that his books were banned for years, like Wilhelm Reich before him.

What was that you ask? At the time everyone thought that the cloud shrouded planet was Earth's twin and there could be people just like us there or at least some sort of tropical jungle life.

Venus: he wrote that it would have a hydrocarbon atmosphere and surface temperatures around 800 degrees. He was right. He based this on the Aphrodite legend of springing from her fathers head (Jove). And sure enough there is a mark which could have been left by Jupiter expelling a mass: the Great Red Spot.

The only thing he did not explain is the 3-body problem of Earth, Venus, and the moon in Worlds in Collision. However, others have stepped in to say that all this happened while Earth and Mars were moons of Saturn and the solar system was a very very different place.

See here
The Saturn Myth

The Saturn Myth: A Reinterpretation of Rites and Symbols Illuminating Some of the Dark Corners of Primordial Society

Velikovsky reconsidered Hardcover - 1976

[Duckdog]

I heard about a book about that. I think it is called “Forbidden Archaeology”.

[rlmorel]

Yer gonna get yourself some mammoth ribs, that’s what yer gonna do!