Posted on 01/14/2016 8:42:33 PM PST by BenLurkin
bitter atlatl clingers!
:-)
A sudden super cooling of the atmosphere would have caused flash freezing and glaciation in many Northern area and Vast rains to fall all over the Earth. The great Flood!
That is I think what you would term as an effect.
What was the cause?
After looking at the map, and gazing wistfully to the warm south, I grind my teeth, and tell my men, “you have three choices: stand here and freeze while starving; head south and try again to kill an enraged rhino, which is why we’re here in the first place; or take out that mammoth thing over yonder.”
I think this is where you will find the Alaskan Muck
http://www.scribd.com/doc/21746106/Velikovsky-Earth-in-Upheaval#scribd
http://www.icr.org/article/rapid-surging-glacial-ice-lobes
http://www.icr.org/article/precipitation-hot-mid-ocean-ridges
http://www.icr.org/article/hypercanes-genesis-flood
http://www.sis-group.org.uk/introduction.htm
http://www.sis-group.org.uk/news/earth-upheaval.htm
Velikovsky, on the first page of his book, Earth in Upheaval (Victor Gollancz:1956) made some extraordinary claims of the so called Alaskan ‘muck’ deposits in the Tanana River valley, a tributary of the Yukon River - but where did he get his information from? He quotes Rainey (1940), University of Alaska, and FC Hibben (1943), University of New Mexico, but he obviously read a lot of other sources. One of them might have been Ralph Tuck, a geologist who first worked in Alaska on the railroad and then worked for a mining company - in which muck played a prominent role. In a paper in the Bulletin of the Geological Society of America, volume 51 page 1295-1310, (September 1940) ‘Origin of the Muck-Silt deposits at Fairbanks, Alaska’ Ralph Tuck gave his considered opinion how the muck was formed - and it formed quickly, by what he presumed was ‘outwash’ from melting glaciers (even though this part of Alaska was unglaciated). Hence, this article is in part a vindication of Velikovsky as outwash is not too different from the idea of a large tsunami wave roaring up the river valleys of Alaska...
Maybe it was a Denisovan who did in the Mammoth.
I lost a lot of respect for Sagan and others, not because they dismissed Velikovsky out of hand, but had to belittle and castigate him.
Well there might have been a few “causes” that God might have “put into effect”!
And most of them did so without reading the book...here’s one:
http://www.velikovsky.info/Cecilia_Payne-Gaposchkin
Cecilia Payne-Gaposchkin (May 10, 1900 – December 7, 1979) was an English-American astronomer at Harvard, and one of the first to criticize Velikovsky’s theories, although she was criticized for not having read Velikovsky’s book (published after her article appeared). Her daughter wrote that she had “somewhat difficult times with the Velikovsky controversy”[1].
I agree, it was a wonderful book. By the way, that Zika virus I told you about, big in the news today, real fear, especially as Brazil is having the Olympics and people will be coming back to US, can thrive in southern states if it gets established.
Methinks it might be best if you don’t mix science with religion.
Doubleday and Company were the second publisher of Immanuel Velikovsky's first book, Worlds in Collision, after the first publisher, the MacMillan Company felt pressurized into selling. the rights. Doubleday subsequently published all but one of Velikovsky's later books.
Velikovsky's books published by Doubleday 1950: Worlds in Collision ISBN 0-385-04541-7 1952: Ages in Chaos ISBN 0-385-04897-1 1955: Earth in Upheaval ISBN 0-385-04113-6 1960: Oedipus and Akhnaton ISBN 0-385-00529-6 1977: Peoples of the Sea ISBN 0-385-03389-3 1978: Ramses II and His Time ISBN 0-385-03394-X 1982: Mankind in Amnesia ISBN 0-385-03393-1
The only thing we know for sure is that we know absolutely nothing.
...mammoth steaks on the grille...
How, would you know?
A flash frozen carcass of a wooly mammoth?
Out in open ground, with deliberate kill wounds, is suddenly frozen into, a literal time suspension from degrading naturally.
What in creation, does that physical observation/evidence- have to do with... “People did not even think as we do.”
You were not joking. I would like to know your reason. Thanks.
Flash frozen carcasses of mammoths seemed to be a phenomenon of the possible meteor(s) strike that precipitated the Younger Dryas cooling. The mammoth in this article was 3 times as old. It sounds more like it was frozen in mud deposits and stayed that way for all subsequent time until its recent discovery. Easily could have run into a river or been hunted alongside a river.
How do I know? There are many sources if you look for them - do your own looking. However, sticking to what you were taught in your HS or college history classes is very out of date and mostly wrong. You need to have a more open mind about the world around you if you hope to learn more that a regurgitation of whatever was spewed at you in school. Sunken Civ might give you a list if you FR mail him and ask nicely - assuming you truly want to learn.
You are conflating several different mammoth finds. There is more than just this one post about the history, use, and fate of the mammoth; many are incomplete or slightly misleading - one has to read through many of them to get a basic understanding of the subject - like most anything else.
Don’t know if you have ever spent anytime living in another culture, but if you had, you would have some idea that different cultures think about things differently. The further back in time one goes, the further from how we think today becomes. Going back 6-7,000 years to a culture that is becoming odder with every new discovery, is a leap that modern man can envision with a lot of concentration, but never live.
It is very difficult to explain or even conceptualize symbolic thought as a daily way of viewing the world. Modern cultures use reason and logic to achieve what we call rationality. We make reasoned decisions. It was not always that way, Nor is it that way for some other cultures - Amazon tribes or how some American Indian natives think of place and themselves, for instance.
Perhaps the closest we come is going to church and seeing statues or other representations of holy figures and allowing all that is associated with the concept the figure represents to fill us in that moment; but when we walk out of the church that moment fades until the next time. Old Kingdom Egyptians thought that way about everything at all times, not just one religious representation in a temple in one moment. The Egyptian gods were never seen as actual beings, but as symbols of thought; the particular thought depended on the place, use, and particular representation of the god; even the Giza pyramids and all the stela were part of this world view.
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