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Whitehouse Congress Petition Protect Free Speech in the Digital Public Square
Whitehouse.gov ^ | 8/28/2018 | W.C.

Posted on 08/28/2018 2:06:58 PM PDT by MarchonDC09122009

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To: MarchonDC09122009

Not.
Your.
Press.


81 posted on 08/30/2018 7:14:54 PM PDT by ctdonath2 (The Red Queen wasn't kidding.)
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To: ctdonath2

As soon Fakebook and Twitter provided emergency management and community PSA communication services to federal, state and municipal government agencies, they became a communication common carrier, and subject to related standards and precedent.
You’ll see.
FR, CTH, DU, etc provide no such utility.

Innovative Uses of Social Media in Emergency Management

https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/publi...Proxy

The Innovative Uses of Social Media in Emergency
Management report was funded under U.S. Gov...


82 posted on 08/30/2018 7:46:54 PM PDT by MarchonDC09122009 (When is our next march on DC? When have we had enough?)
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To: NobleFree
Freedom frightens many.

It certainly does. That's why they attempt to use their power to silence people with whom they disagree, and we should use the *FORCE* of law to make certain they are not able to subjugate our system of governance by controlling the means of communications.

83 posted on 08/30/2018 7:59:25 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: ctdonath2
Not. Your. Press.

It's not a "press." It's a billion user mass communications system that manipulates elections by controlling the flow of information which the public needs to hear to make good decisions.

In other words, it's a f*cking threat to our system of governance if it isn't forced to be open to all traffic.

84 posted on 08/30/2018 8:02:47 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: MarchonDC09122009
As soon Fakebook and Twitter provided emergency management and community PSA communication services to federal, state and municipal government agencies, they became a communication common carrier

Says who?

85 posted on 08/31/2018 7:40:55 AM PDT by NobleFree ("law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual")
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To: DiogenesLamp
controlling the means of communications.

That control has been and remains with information consumers, who have freely chosen to make heavy use of certain company's offerings.

86 posted on 08/31/2018 7:42:43 AM PDT by NobleFree ("law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual")
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To: DiogenesLamp

Ah, same reasoning as “2ndA only covers muskets”.


87 posted on 08/31/2018 12:05:42 PM PDT by ctdonath2 (The Red Queen wasn't kidding.)
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To: NobleFree

Common law notion of “common carriage” and “public calling” function of a communication utility.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3912707/

Precedent.


88 posted on 08/31/2018 12:20:58 PM PDT by MarchonDC09122009 (When is our next march on DC? When have we had enough?)
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To: MarchonDC09122009
As soon Fakebook and Twitter provided emergency management and community PSA communication services to federal, state and municipal government agencies, they became a communication common carrier

Says who?

Common law notion of “common carriage” and “public calling” function of a communication utility.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3912707/

Your link offers no evidence that popularity, or providing emergency management and community PSA communication services, make particular Internet services common carriers.

Precedent.

Meaninglessly vague - exactly what "precedent"?

89 posted on 08/31/2018 12:39:51 PM PDT by NobleFree ("law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual")
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To: ctdonath2
Ah, same reasoning as “2ndA only covers muskets”.

If you considered it from the perspective of a small child. There is both a quantitative and qualitative difference between Printing Presses and Billion user mass communications systems.

If we were applying the same scale to presses and muskets, given the amount of people who can be reached by a "press" and the number who can be shot with a musket as the low end of the scale, we have Mass communications reaching Millions of people, while the best the evolved musket can do is shoot a few hundreds of people.

To realign the scales to demonstrate a reasonable equivalency, the "musket" must be able to kill a million or so people to match the increase in firepower of the "press".

So are you okay with people having unregulated atomic bombs?

Stop being childish.

90 posted on 08/31/2018 1:17:48 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DiogenesLamp

You are liable for the consequences of exercising a right.
That the consequences may be significant does not curtail that right.
If you can afford the tools, you have a right to use them.
That significant tools have significant cost inherently persuades the owner to use them wisely, lest financial investment lose them a great deal.
Yes, that includes “the MSM” - whose abuse of their “presses” is about to lose them a great deal.
And yes, WMDs are included in “arms”; should you be unable/unwilling to store & use them safely (a la Cooper’s Four Rules adapted accordingly) others naturally have the right to duly stop you. It’s not a matter of “but nukes”, it’s a matter of unduly threatening others in range if discharged, and handling according to principle.

This isn’t “childish”, this is consistent application of axioms.

I’ve watched numerous “unstoppable juggernauts” and “practical monopolies” go under without gov’t intervention.
I’ve watched MSM influence plummet due to the crap they put out, leading to opportunity for others to arise. The entire MSM put together, for two years, couldn’t stop a single man. Alternate news outlets have blossomed. Ratings & penetration have plummeted.
In the last 24 hours, I’ve had a single tweet reach more people than some CNN shows.
Major social media have taken a distinct turn, belying their eventual demise on par with what I’ve seen of CompuServe, AOL, MySpace, Usenet, and many others. Yes the scale is larger; the lifecycle is clearly the same.
You want to take them down or get them in line? Hold them accountable for what they don’t “moderate”; press them until they plead for & implement “common carrier” status, or go under.

Don’t overestimate the power of modern large-scale “presses”.
They don’t have the magic influence you perceive. Most people know what’s up. They’ve reached their lifecycle inflection point, and are hemorrhaging audiences.

I’ve watched it all happen for decades. They’re just presses. Use yours (you’re looking at it right now).


91 posted on 08/31/2018 2:38:48 PM PDT by ctdonath2 (The Red Queen wasn't kidding.)
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To: ctdonath2
I’ve watched numerous “unstoppable juggernauts” and “practical monopolies” go under without gov’t intervention.

And this has lulled you into the belief that such things are not only possible, but inevitable. You think exactly the same thing is going to happen to Google, Facebook, Twitter, and so forth.

Your argument is that "this will happen because this has always happened before."

You might be right, but I have plenty of reasons to believe that an effect similar to "escape velocity" could occur, and leave these massive and powerful megacorps in a permanent position of control.

I can think of no means by which a Google does not get brought under control without the power of law.

In the last 24 hours, I’ve had a single tweet reach more people than some CNN shows.

That's on their platform. What are you going to do when you can't use it?

What are you going to do when your "speech" is frozen out of the entire coalition of liberal owned platforms?

92 posted on 08/31/2018 2:58:26 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: MarchonDC09122009

106,646 SIGNED


93 posted on 09/06/2018 7:54:53 AM PDT by Lazamataz (On future maps, I suggest we remove the word "California" and substitute "Open-Air Asylum".)
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To: Lazamataz; All

Excellent, Sir!
Thank you for the update.

RE: 106,646 SIGNED - Laz


94 posted on 09/10/2018 8:54:37 AM PDT by MarchonDC09122009 (When is our next march on DC? When have we had enough?)
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