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A question for old timers

Posted on 11/02/2018 3:56:33 PM PDT by MNDude

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To: Paladin2
I still know how to use a slide rule, but I can't remember the last time I actually used one for a serious purpose. I bought a Texas Instruments calculator when they first came out, and have used one ever since.

I recall when the issue first came up of whether the students in the engineering course I was teaching could use calculators on an exam. I figured they were cheap enough that anyone who could afford college could afford a calculator, so I allowed them.

141 posted on 11/03/2018 4:22:54 PM PDT by JoeFromSidney (Colonel (Retired) USAF)
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To: MNDude

The 60s were the decade of more changes in our culture. Starting with the Civil Rights changes, the Pill which changed both our morality and the push for Women’s Rights, and the widespread use of TV. Remember that most folks didn’t get TV until late 40s or early 50s and the changes that tube made on our country have yet to be quantified.

The tech revolution in computers and telephones is big, very big, but I’m not sure it will equal the other era in moral and cultural changes.

FYI I was born in 1940 and saw it all.


142 posted on 11/03/2018 4:45:35 PM PDT by wildbill (Quis Custodiet ipsos custodes? Who watches the watchmen?)
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To: old curmudgeon

Lawyers -——————— Domestic enemy #1
Pubic school teachers -——— Domestic enemy #2
MSM - —————————Domestic enemy #3


143 posted on 11/04/2018 8:01:10 AM PST by litehaus (A memory toooo long.............)
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To: GJones2

Here’s what I said about the Western cultural revolution when someone from the UK referred to the “progress from post-war Britain into the very different culture of the 1960s”. “Progress? Well, depending on one’s values better in some respects, worse in others.”


144 posted on 11/05/2018 4:52:23 PM PST by GJones2 (Progress since the Western Cultural Revolution (1960s to now)?)
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To: GJones2
We both recognize that the change brought both good and bad, and perhaps I can agree that it was more good than bad. The long-term effects aren't in yet, though, and I'm just not comfortable with the term 'progress'.

The changes of what I call the 'Western Cultural Revolution' affected most Western countries, but circumstances varied from place to place. For instance, the United States hadn't been set back by the effects of the war the way the UK was.

Still, in terms of material possessions we advanced greatly since the 1950s. People below the "poverty level" now have high definition tv, air-conditioning, and cellphones (the cellphones taxpayer-financed). I'm concerned, though, that technology is masking, and in some respects delaying, some of the problems to come. Also in terms of national debt we've been borrowing enormous sums from future generations.

145 posted on 11/05/2018 4:54:27 PM PST by GJones2 (Progress since the Western Cultural Revolution (1960s to now)?)
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To: GJones2
One great improvement since the 50s has been greater opportunities for non-whites and women. Racist oppression was widespread back then. Instead of promoting non-racist standards, though, society has now turned the previous racism on its head, and is now giving preferences to minorities. Also there has been a devaluation of Western civilization, while "multiculturalists" lean over backward to excuse the defects of others (which, in my opinion, are usually even worse -- and pose a significant threat).  

As for sexual freedom, I support it, but not irresponsibility. It's not good for a large percentage of children to grow up without a father. (I did so because my mother was a widow, but I wasn't in a dysfunctional family.) In the United States "72.3 percent of non-Hispanic blacks are now born out-of-wedlock...40.7 percent overall [that is, 40.7 is the average for all races and ethnic groups]" [National Review, citing government National Vital Statistic Reports]. Contrast that with rates at the beginning of the 60s.  "Out-of-wedlock births comprised 5.3 percent of total births in 1960, including 2.3 percent of white births and 23 percent of black births." [Washington Times]

Black rates then were lower than white rates now (it's not poverty or discrimination that accounts for the change but rather changes in the mores of the culture, black and white). I think the collapse of the family has had serious effects on the quality of life for many persons. Also, along with the alcoholism of the past we now have increased drug addiction. Some of that too may have been affected by changes in the family.

146 posted on 11/05/2018 4:55:52 PM PST by GJones2 (Progress since the Western Cultural Revolution (1960s to now)?)
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To: GJones2
Crime and violence is much worse than in the 50s (when gun control laws were more lax -- my family didn't have a gun back then, but I feel the need for one now). Also terrorism has increased. We have to go through security checks that people in the 50s wouldn't have imagined would ever be necessary.

As children my sister and I usually went where we wished. Here in South Carolina we played in slums, including the worst of black slums. Though in some large cities slums were dangerous then too, not to the degree that they are now. In Miami my sister once rode her bicycle from Southwest Miami almost downtown. (That was without my mother's permission, but her main concern was traffic.)

Despite a great improvement in civil rights and economic opportunity, Miami is much more dangerous than it was in the 1950s. A few years ago there was a series of news stories about white European tourists being murdered down there. What was happening was that they would leave the airport and stray into a black slum. Being conspicuously white and usually lacking "street smarts" they were easy targets.

147 posted on 11/05/2018 4:56:38 PM PST by GJones2 (Progress since the Western Cultural Revolution (1960s to now)?)
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To: GJones2
It's absurd that this should take place after a dramatic improvement in freedom and opportunity (and even policies that give preferential treatment to minorities). In material possessions I had less growing up than most of the persons committing those crimes, but I had a sense of right and wrong instilled in me, and some empathy for other persons. I wasn't given to believe that others have things that should be mine, and that I'm justified in using violence to take them.

Lately I've noticed some tv shows that do DNA tests to determine who the father of the baby is, with the various girlfriends yelling at each other and sometimes scuffling, and the whole thing set up as a kind of entertainment (rather like professional wrestling). I can't feel optimistic about the prospects for that baby, or for a society that entertains itself that way.

148 posted on 11/05/2018 4:57:18 PM PST by GJones2 (Progress since the Western Cultural Revolution (1960s to now)?)
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To: GJones2

[Sorry, for the disjointed and rambling way in which I’ve presented my thoughts. The topic is so immense, though, that it’s hard to know what to include or how to organize it. Rather than try to organize it, I’ve just mentioned a few things as they came to mind.]


149 posted on 11/05/2018 4:58:01 PM PST by GJones2 (Progress since the Western Cultural Revolution (1960s to now)?)
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To: ridesthemiles

My great grandfather (1877-1981) said essentially the same thing many times.


150 posted on 11/05/2018 5:09:58 PM PST by RightField
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To: RightField

Wow. 104 years old. Amazing, the things he saw, and the stories he could tell, I would imagine.


151 posted on 11/05/2018 5:15:09 PM PST by Jane Long (Praise God, from whom ALL blessings flow.)
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To: outofsalt

Were you the baby of the family?


152 posted on 11/05/2018 5:17:51 PM PST by Jane Long (Praise God, from whom ALL blessings flow.)
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To: Daffynition

Incredible!!

Double the size of a Trump rally!!


153 posted on 11/05/2018 5:32:23 PM PST by Jane Long (Praise God, from whom ALL blessings flow.)
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To: Jane Long
"Were you the baby of the family?"

I'm the oldest of my fathers second marriage. He was a widower from his first marriage.
His first wife gave him my half brother but his first wife also had a daughter from her first marriage. My, "sort of sister".
I am the first born of the second wife whom he married late in life. I have two younger brothers. 11 months and seven years (surprise baby, I think)

154 posted on 11/05/2018 6:18:05 PM PST by outofsalt (If history teaches us anything, it's that history rarely teaches us anything.)
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To: outofsalt

Beautiful!!

You’re the oldest....sort of! :-)


155 posted on 11/05/2018 6:23:46 PM PST by Jane Long (Praise God, from whom ALL blessings flow.)
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To: MNDude

Each era had it its own change which impacted or made it
easier for the upcoming era to change more rapidly. JMO.


156 posted on 11/05/2018 6:33:36 PM PST by deport
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To: Jane Long

Sort of the oldest, yes. My father had me at age 50.

I had my first at 39 and my last at 43. She just turned 17.

When I was 17 my half brother was 34 and my dad had just turned 68; doubling our ages.

Occasionally I feel way too old to have a 17 year old at 60 but, my dad was much older when his youngest was 17! I guess if he could handle it, I can. Of course, his was a boy.


157 posted on 11/05/2018 6:44:00 PM PST by outofsalt (If history teaches us anything, it's that history rarely teaches us anything.)
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