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Posting this in light of the NZ kneejerk gun ban following the tragedy there.

Especially love this part...

"In no way could armed people have stopped the totalitarian power of the Nazi state,"

...er, armed people did stop the "totalitarian power of the Nazi state", those armed people were the soldiers of the Allied forces.

This is a gem too...

"The record also shows that the Nazis accelerated the liquidation of remaining Jewish ghettos after the uprising."

...so basically, lay down your life so that others will be killed more slowly. The point that everyone ends up dead regardless appears to be lost.

Moving on...

"When gun rights advocates aren’t using the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising to make a case against gun control, they often invoke Sobibor, an extermination camp in Nazi-occupied Poland that was shut down by the Germans after a Jewish revolt — involving first an ax and then explosives and guns.

But the rebellion was but one reason why the Germans destroyed the camp and hid all evidence of mass murders there, wrote Moynihan. They also wanted Sobibor to disappear because the Allies were fast approaching."

...so again lay down your lives because not doing so will mean evidence gets hidden.

I was unable to find out who at Huffington Post wrote this diatribe.

1 posted on 03/21/2019 10:40:53 AM PDT by atlana
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"In no way could armed people have stopped the totalitarian power of the Nazi state,"

Another variant of the Leftist argument that an armed citizenry can't withstand tanks, planes, and drones of the modern US military.

Given Eric Swalwell's tweet about nuking fellow Americans, it began the question:

What are you intending to do to the American public that you can't do because they might start shooting at you?

26 posted on 03/21/2019 11:23:33 AM PDT by Tench_Coxe
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In short, yes. The Jews, like most Germans, willingly surrendered their weapons to the Nazis, then Jews and other “undesirables” were rounded up and exterminated. Take note of the fact that, among many other things, Oskar Schindler provided weapons to many Jews - a fact omitted by Hollywood in the production of “Schindler’s List”.


27 posted on 03/21/2019 11:24:23 AM PDT by ManHunter (You can run, but you'll only die tired... Army snipers: Reach out and touch someone)
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duh, ya think?


31 posted on 03/21/2019 11:36:10 AM PDT by bitt (The pain IS coming!!!)
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HuffPost will not let me post this:

“Attempts at self defense provoke more violence”

What a horrible sentence. I guess women should let themselves be raped because attempts at self defense will provoke their attacker!

It might be futile, but attempts at self defense have worked in the past and kept the attackers at bay, or destroyed them totally.

Wells-Barnett observed: “The only times an Afro-American who was assaulted got away has been when he had a gun and used it in self-defense.”


32 posted on 03/21/2019 11:38:38 AM PDT by wbarmy (I chose to be a sheepdog once I saw what happens to the sheep.)
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Of course it’s better to be armed, but Jews were a tiny and distrusted minority. Long before anyone heard of Nazis, the presence of anything like Jewish militias would simply not have been tolerated in Christian lands.

Europe is nothing like America.


33 posted on 03/21/2019 11:39:00 AM PDT by jjotto (Next week, BOOM!, for sure!)
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If the three million or so adult Jews in Germany, Poland, France, the Ukraine, and Hungary had all possessed and were proficient with guns, would the Nazis been able to herd them into ghettos and then into cattle cars to death camps?

Or might the Germans have been a bit more circumspect that a far more less docile people might take several Germans with them when they tried to capture and kill them?

We aren't Nazi Germany partially because an armed people is a free people - and all of us are the government, not just the folks wearing uniforms.

35 posted on 03/21/2019 11:52:01 AM PDT by Chainmail (A simple rule of life: if you can be blamed, you're responsible.)
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[T]here was a wise man ... who used to go to the ocean to do his writing. He had a habit of walking on the beach before he began his work. One day he was walking along the shore. As he looked down the beach, he saw a human figure moving like a dancer. He smiled to himself to think of someone who would dance to the day. So he began to walk faster to catch up. As he got closer, he saw that it was a young man and the young man wasn't dancing, but instead he was reaching down to the shore, picking up something and very gently throwing it into the ocean.

As he got closer, he called out, "Good morning! What are you doing?" The young man paused, looked up and replied "Throwing starfish into the ocean."

"I guess I should have asked, Why are you throwing starfish into the ocean?"

"The sun is up and the tide is going out. And if I don't throw them in they'll die."

"But young man, don't you realize that there are miles and miles of beach and starfish all along it. You can't possibly make a difference!"

The young man listened politely. Then bent down, picked up another starfish and threw it into the sea, past the breaking waves. "It made a difference for that one!"

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36 posted on 03/21/2019 11:54:35 AM PDT by Paal Gulli
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The very concept is unthinkable to the unthinking.


38 posted on 03/21/2019 12:04:20 PM PDT by AndyTheBear
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https://me.me/i/how-we-burned-in-the-camps-later-thinking-what-would-7659445

Here is how the Jews felt about their lack of resistance.


42 posted on 03/21/2019 12:37:01 PM PDT by tcoxaz
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Human nature is full of riddles; . . . one of those riddles is: how is it that people who have been crushed by the sheer weight of slavery and cast to the bottom of the pit can nevertheless find strength in themselves to rise up and free themselves first in spirit and then in body while those who soar unhampered over the peaks of freedom suddenly lose the taste of freedom, lose the will to defend it, and, hopelessly confused and lost, almost begin to crave slavery?


43 posted on 03/21/2019 12:37:01 PM PDT by tcoxaz
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The very first thing that all dictators (no matter what political party they belong to) do is to seize weapons from the population, provided that someone didn’t already beat them to it. Once that happens, they can literally do ANYTHING to the population, and the only ones who can stop them are their own police and/or military via a coup or assassination. Of course, doing anything that they want to the population IS THE VERY REASON FOR GUN CONTROL. The HuffPost asswipes clearly never gave that idea a single moment’s thought.

Germany herded disarmed Jews (and Gypsies, and gays and priests and anyone else who actually opposed them or whom they hated) to pits to be shot in the back of the head or into gas chambers. Well-armed Switzerland, OTOH, was left alone because of the fearsome cost that overcoming 500,000 militia (IF they could have overcome them, and there are some reasonable doubts about that) would have exacted upon Germany.

As my first college Economics professor said, “Incentives matter (and so do disincentives).” Well, simple logic dictates that if there is no disincentive to your plans to round up and murder millions of opponents, then you’re FAR more likely to attempt it than if 20% of them could resist enough to take one or 2 of your police/soldiers with them. The Huffpost is, as usual, completely and totally full of $hit.

My wife’s uncle, whom I knew for many years before he died, was a “guest” of 4 of Herr Shitler’s camps, including Birkenau, the work camp attached to Auschwitz. He witnessed his father and brother being murdered before his eyes, and lost every member of his extended family in Europe. He was NEVER without a gun on his person or in the same room with him - and since he was no dope (he spoke 8 languages and was a very, very wealthy man after getting out of the camps with just the shirt on his back), it is hard to argue the logic of being armed to at least exact a cost on someone trying to kill you.

In any case, THIS particular Jew is very well armed, and intends to remain so NO MATTER WHAT - specifically including any laws that criminalize the mere possession of firearms. I would like to say, “Never again!” but that mere wish or sentiment isn’t enough. The proper thing to say is, “Never again...but if again, then not for free.”


45 posted on 03/21/2019 1:19:15 PM PDT by Ancesthntr ("The right to buy weapons is the right to be free." A. E. van Vogt, The Weapons Shops of Isher)
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In summation: “Get in the oven”.


46 posted on 03/21/2019 1:22:59 PM PDT by BookmanTheJanitor
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The record also shows that the Nazis accelerated the liquidation of remaining Jewish ghettos after the [1943]uprising.

Absolute hogwash to corelate Jews fighting back at Warsaw with increased hostility towards ghettos.

In 1944 the USA began the final push to destroy Hitlers war machine, starting with retaking France and the wholesale bombing of German cities and rail lines. This, more than anything else, resulted in manic efforts by the Germans to cover war atrocities that just could not be concealed.

47 posted on 03/21/2019 1:44:35 PM PDT by blueplum ("...this moment is your moment: it belongs to you... " President Donald J. Trump, Jan 20, 2017)
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Wow. Just. Stupid.

Of course, just that alone wasn’t responsible. But certainly had a lot to do with it.


51 posted on 03/21/2019 2:45:35 PM PDT by vpintheak (Stop making stupid people famous!)
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We unfortunately will never know for certain.

What we can know is they could have resisted, and made the enemy pay its own price in lives.


52 posted on 03/21/2019 4:06:11 PM PDT by YogicCowboy ("I am not entirely on anyone's side, because no one is entirely on mine." - J. R. R. Tolkien)
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Warsaw Ghetto


57 posted on 03/22/2019 5:26:14 AM PDT by SisterK (its a spiritual war)
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Completely misses the benefits personal firearm ownership would have had. The idea that less than 1% of Germany's population would have stopped the rise of the Reich is absurd. Non Jewish political militias tried, and didn't. It would have had no impact on the Holocaust, other than providing more anti Jewish political fodder were there an uprising of sorts. The only option was fleeing Germany, which about 70% of Germany's Jews dis. Owning a firearm individually would have highly beneficial in that task. And possibly fatal. Of course it wouldn't have helped getting out of Europe, so most would have been rounded up anyway, but at least at a cost to Germany. Facing a smaller but adequate German force, the Warsaw ghetto held out longer than France.

58 posted on 03/22/2019 6:13:46 AM PDT by SJackson (The Constitution only gives people the right to pursue happiness. You have to catch it yourself)
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Claptrap.

‘Face


59 posted on 03/22/2019 6:15:53 AM PDT by Monkey Face (I wonder how much deeper the oceans would be without sponges?)
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Did Gun Control Prevent Jews From Stopping The Holocaust?>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Does a bear $hit in the woods? If the Warsaw ghetto had thousands of arms with sufficient ammunition, the Germans would have died by the thousands.The story would have been much different.

And so it is in America. If the AOC liberal fascists think they can take citizen's arms, they will have to take the lead first.

But in reality AOC and the left want to turn the 2020 elections into a hissy fit vote based on emotion and hoo- haw, just like the Nationalist Socialist Party did in 1933 Germany.Then the totalitarian state was introduced with no resistance from Germans.

INTERESTING PARALLEL to AOC and her radicals on the Dem liberal fascist left:

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Germany 1933: From democracy to dictatorship

In 1933, Hitler came to power and turned Germany into a dictatorship. How did the Nazi party come to power and how did Hitler manage to eliminate his opponents?............................................................................................................................

The appeal of the Nazis

The fact that many Germans were attracted by the NSDAP was not only because of their party program. The party radiated strength and vitality. Moreover, the Nazi leaders were young, quite unlike the greying politicians of the established parties. In addition, Hitler's image as a strong leader appealed to people. He was all set to unite the population and put an end to political discord.

The Nazis focused on voters from all walks of life, rather than on just one group, such as the workers or Catholics. They also attracted many people who had never voted before. Still, in November 1932 the party seemed to be past its peak. The economy was recovering, and the NSDAP received 11% fewer votes than in the July elections earlier that same year."

Hitler appointed Chancellor

The conservative parties did not manage to win enough votes. They pressured president Paul von Hindenburg to appoint Hitler chancellor. They hoped to form a majority cabinet with the NSDAP. The fact that they expected to use Hitler for their own agenda would turn out to be a fatal underestimation.

30 January 1933 was the day: Von Hindenburg gave in and appointed Hitler chancellor. ‘It is like a dream. The Wilhelmstraße is ours', Joseph Goebbels, the future Minister of Propaganda, wrote in his diary. So, although Hitler was not elected by the German people, he still came to power in a legal way.

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https://www.annefrank.org/en/anne-frank/go-in-depth/germany-1933-democracy-dictatorship/

62 posted on 03/23/2019 9:32:48 AM PDT by Candor7 ((Obama Fascism)http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html)
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