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New study on monkeys using stone tools raises questions about evolution
The Hill ^ | 3/10/2023 | SAUL ELBEIN

Posted on 03/12/2023 7:55:41 AM PDT by logi_cal869

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To: Big Red Badger

“You **** dirty ape.” The original POTA is my favorite sci-fi movie, and that scene (and the “there can’t be, I’m sorry” scene, as well as the classic ending, and Heston’s performance, it’s unbeatable. The remake was as much of a disappointment as I’d suspected it would be.


21 posted on 03/12/2023 10:05:26 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: justme4now

they are really smart- also smart are starlings- they can even talk i guess- or mimic sounds


22 posted on 03/12/2023 10:06:23 AM PDT by Bob434
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To: skr
It may be a modern flint knappers work. People had to work with what was available, and utility would trump aesthetics.

People probably learned to swear when they broke a nice point that was near completion. 🤣

23 posted on 03/12/2023 10:24:26 AM PDT by gundog (It was a bright cold day in April, and the clocks were striking thirteen. )
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To: logi_cal869

Your relatives sir. Not mine.


24 posted on 03/12/2023 11:47:02 AM PDT by Theophilus 7
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To: logi_cal869
Evolution is as flawed a theory as is the big bang bang theory.

Its another attempt by liberals to wish away the existence of God.

They have been doing this since the communists taught them - "Tell a Lie Often Enough That It Seems Like The Truth".

25 posted on 03/12/2023 11:47:36 AM PDT by airborne (Thank you Rush for helping me find FreeRepublic!)
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To: C210N

Monkeys learning to use tools.

2001: A Space Odyssey monkey scene
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmX7K8noikE


26 posted on 03/12/2023 3:03:04 PM PDT by minnesota_bound (Need more money to buy everything now)
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To: SunkenCiv

So, does that mean corvids, elephants, monkeys, chimps, and humans all have a common, tool using ancestor?

Sea otters? Octopus?

How far back to get to Tool User Prime all descended from?


27 posted on 03/12/2023 3:23:21 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (Why are there so many more horse's @33es than horses?)
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To: justme4now

“Saw where a crow that in order to get a drink of water from a narrow necked bottle would drop pebbles into the bottle until the water level would rise to where it could get to the water.”

I’m pretty sure numerous politicians couldn’t do that.


28 posted on 03/12/2023 3:29:54 PM PDT by steve86 (Numquam accusatus, numquam ad curiam ibit, numquam ad carcerem™)
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To: skr

“The ones I’ve seen in pictures are usually on the dull side when it comes to color and not quite as refined in shape.”

They were using low quality lathes.

wy69


29 posted on 03/12/2023 3:33:00 PM PDT by whitney69
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To: skr

“The ones I’ve seen in pictures are usually on the dull side when it comes to color and not quite as refined in shape.”

They were using low quality lathes.

wy69


30 posted on 03/12/2023 3:33:00 PM PDT by whitney69
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To: logi_cal869
Current civilization is reaching its end days and I suspect we only have a maximum of 150 years left..

Primates will evolve into the next stone age and eventually over a new millenium, take our place.

31 posted on 03/12/2023 4:05:04 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (Well Zip-a-Dee-Doo-Dah)
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To: logi_cal869

I’m afraid that my point wasn’t clear enough.

I care not about the monkeys, nor the tools.

The point is that this is a RARE example of science admitting it was wrong, to the betterment of science.

In gross contrast to all the other examples about which many of us have posted prior.


32 posted on 03/12/2023 4:34:20 PM PDT by logi_cal869 (-cynicus the "concern troll" a/o 10/03/2018 /!i!! &@$%&*(@ -)
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To: SunkenCiv

Hestons in one of my Favorite SciFi;
‘Soylent Green’...
Seems I’m hooked on used
DVD’s at a buck or so and it keeps me off broadcast or Cable trash.


33 posted on 03/12/2023 7:01:35 PM PDT by Big Red Badger (The Truman Show)
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To: logi_cal869
“People were not happy with monkeys being able to create those artifacts,” she added. “And somewhere in the records of macaque and early hominid tools, there must be a difference. But right now, the diagnostic criteria we’re using can’t find one.”
"Science!"
34 posted on 03/12/2023 7:45:18 PM PDT by nicollo ("I said no!")
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To: logi_cal869
But right now, the diagnostic criteria we’re using can’t find one.”

Mea culpa. In contrast to 'consensus', that's science.

35 posted on 03/12/2023 8:31:18 PM PDT by logi_cal869 (-cynicus the "concern troll" a/o 10/03/2018 /!i!! &@$%&*(@ -)
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To: nicollo
But right now, the diagnostic criteria we’re using can’t find one.”

Mea culpa. In contrast to 'consensus', that's science.

36 posted on 03/12/2023 8:32:16 PM PDT by logi_cal869 (-cynicus the "concern troll" a/o 10/03/2018 /!i!! &@$%&*(@ -)
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To: ApplegateRanch
The use of stone tools (and bone tools) by earlier humans is associated with butchering sites, rubbish tips, post holes, burials, villages, and various other things not left behind by animals.

Do corvids, elephants, monkeys, chimps, sea otters, and octopus have megalithic architecture? Pyramids? The wheel? Even campfire sites?

Knocking stones together to produce tools, or just tool-like artifacts, doesn't work out as some kind of refutation of anything, and is just foolish.

37 posted on 03/12/2023 10:34:51 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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38 posted on 03/13/2023 5:17:19 AM PDT by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegal aliens are put up in hotels.....................)
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To: ApplegateRanch

No it means the writer doesn’t know what the find means.
It says nothing about evolution.
What it means is that archeologists who find stone pieces and interpret them as shards should not do that automatically.
The idea of the evolution of human tool using isn’t effected at all. Humans use tools and in the distant past used less complex tools.

BTW - tool using in animals has been observed for a long time. The idea that humans were the only tool users was a 19th century idea. It certainly hasn’t been taught in my lifetime.


39 posted on 03/14/2023 6:45:41 AM PDT by Varda
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To: Varda; SunkenCiv

Actually, my answer was a tad bit of a sarcastic reply to SunkenCiv’s #17”

>>>No, it doesn’t. It shows that humans and living monkeys have a common ancestor, and banging rocks together came from that ancestor. But thanks for playing.<<<


40 posted on 03/14/2023 5:16:42 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (Why are there so many more horse's @33es than horses?)
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