Posted on 12/31/2023 12:53:14 PM PST by Dacula
“Questions about Obama’s eligibility on the other hand were due to lack of a birth certificate, not parents’ citizenship status. “
Not quite, the Obama stuff was originally about the birth certificate and then switched to the two parents thing after he produced the birth certificate.
Sorry 8 USC (12) (III) (1) 1401
I’m usually dealing with 18USC so I fat fingered it.
The entire family were subject to the laws of the United States as long as they were on US soil, regardless of any foreign laws.
I think that is true.
There was disagreement about the precise definition of a Natural Born Citizen. The Constitution didn't spell it out. I like Vattel's definition from the 18th century, but he didn't write the US Constitution. Some US court should have spelled it out so that we had a definitive answer, but that hasn't happened.
At this point, I think it's too late. Any court that tried to spell out NBC along the restrictive lines that Vattel laid out would, in effect, be saying that the 8 years of Obama's presidency were illegitimate. I can't imagine anyone doing that. So we're stuck. I dislike it very much but I suspect that the difference between "US citizen" and "Natural Born US Citizen" is now negligible. Same thing. It shouldn't be that way, but good luck finding a judge who wants to stir things up.
He produced a “Certificate of Live Birth”, not quite the same as a birth certificate. And even that was questionable.
I am hearing this for the first time.
Did this case pass through the lower courts first?
What is the name of this case?
If the case had no exposure in the lower courts, the Supreme Court would refuse to hear it because it was not tested in the lower courts.
There is no legal standard established that I know about.
First of all, “citizen at birth”, if you believe in jus soli - which i believe to be a completely bogus interpretation of 14A, does NOT = “natural born citizen”. There is a huge difference.
Second of all, 14A requires anchor babies to be “subject to the jurisdiction thereof”, which obviously excludes children of people in the country illegally. Of course this point has been “reinterpreted” by the uni-party so they could break down our borders and national cohesion.
my parents were not US citizens when i was born in the US and I am a citizen.
I’m not a Haley fan at all, but my understanding is that she wasn’t an anchor baby because her parents were here legally and followed the law (not US citizens, but with a green card, I guess). Since her parents were subject to the jurisdiction of the US, she is legitimately a natural-born US citizen. (This is not the same as Obama, whose birth is still shrouded in mystery.)
Haley would still be a terrible choice for the Presidency (or the Vice Presidency) though.
Absolutely not.
The 14th Amendment’s language was derived from the 1866 Civil Rights Act, which provided that “all persons born in the United States, and not subject to any foreign power” would be considered citizens. Nimrata and her parents were all subject to laws of India, not the United States.
American Indians and their children did not become citizens until Congress passed the Indian Citizenship Act of 1924. There would have been no need to pass such legislation if the 14th Amendment extended citizenship to every person born in America, no matter what the circumstances of their birth, and no matter who their parents are.
No one is arguing your citizenship but you are not a Natural Born Citizen and are not eligible to serve as President nor Vice President.
I went deep down this rabbit hole in 2008 and concluded that Obama was ineligible beyond a shadow of a doubt, it was covered up by the media and the uniparty, and we are all suffering the consequences today of that enemy of America usurping the White House.
There was a court case where a soldier refused deployment orders on the basis of obama being ineligible, and his orders ended up getting rescinded which made his case “moot” - thus no more ‘standing’. Again, citizens sued / challenged demon obama’s eligibility, and even a Presidential candidate in 2008 sued, but all were declared by the courts to have “no standing” and the merits were never addressed.
Someone even asked Scalia point blank, what will it take for SCOTUS to address the obama issue? And he coyly stated “get 4 votes in SCOTUS conference.”
The obama destruction was a conspiracy of traitorous elements in our own government and media (google “journo-listers”) that ran cover for him. Do’nt forget all of the destruction he caused this nation like firing all the generals while Mitch and Boobio gladly promoted woke generals to fill their place, that is just for starters. America died with the alleged election of that enemy.
I have seen a fairly authentic looking birth certificate that stated Obama was born in Mombasa General Hospital in the port city of Mombasa. Of course it cannot be proven.
“The entire family were subject to the laws of the United States as long as they were on US soil, regardless of any foreign laws. “
The only people who are not subject to US laws while here are foreign diplomats.
Honest Americans are the only group in America that are subject to the rule of law. Illegals and felons are rewarded for bad behavior.
“the Supreme Court defined two classes of persons. The first class consists of children born in the United States, of U.S.-citizen parents. The second class consists of all other U.S.-born children, regardless of their parents’ citizenship. The Court used the term “natural born citizen” only in reference to members of the first class”
That is literally true but in meaning, false. The Court did not “define” classes of citizens and the commentary (dicta) was not a factor in the decision.
The Supreme Court has never come close to a DECISION, or ruling, that says what you claim. Most importantly, dicta or comments like the one you reference ARE NOT PRECEDENT, so it can’t be briefed or used as an argument in any future case - assuming that the Court might, in the future, hear such a case - when they never will.
It depends on what your definition of “authentic looking” is.
Oh yes, i can’t wait to hear what Traitor Roberts, the wise Latina, frat boy, cult woman, and black panther have to say about “interpreting” our Constitution and the NBC clause.
‘’’Nimarata’’’ Nikki Haley (née Randhawa.
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