Posted on 02/21/2024 10:56:57 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum
DiogenesLamp wrote: “Why would I waste my time on that? I could tell by what they said they were propaganda.”
IOW, you don’t want to be exposed to the real facts:
ConclusionPhotos of blood clots removed during embalming are insufficient evidence for determining how a clot formed and what role they played in a person’s death. No evidence indicates an association between the alleged increase in blood clots in corpses and COVID-19 vaccines. Instead, many experts have pointed to COVID-19 itself or the refrigeration of bodies as a more likely cause of the clots observed.
What does that say? It says nothing. "Insufficient evidence" means that they think it can't yet be proven to be Vax related, but it doesn't mean the same thing as it isn't.
The link I posted for you yesterday explains why they can't yet prove it's Vax related, but any reasonable person must think that it is.
DiogenesLamp wrote: “The link I posted for you yesterday explains why they can’t yet prove it’s Vax related, but any reasonable person must think that it is.”
Anti-vaxxers are not ‘reasonable’.
DiogenesLamp wrote: “Photos of blood clots removed during embalming are insufficient evidence for determining how a clot formed and what role they played in a person’s death. No evidence indicates an association between the alleged increase in blood clots in corpses and COVID-19 vaccines. Instead, many experts have pointed to COVID-19 itself or the refrigeration of bodies as a more likely cause of the clots observed.”
You’re confusing different statements.
The first, “Photos of blood clots removed during embalming are insufficient evidence for determining how a clot formed and what role they played in a person’s death.”, refers whether they played a role in the persons death.
The second, “No evidence indicates an association between the alleged increase in blood clots in corpses and COVID-19 vaccines.” does not say there is insufficient evidence that the vaccines are causing the clots, it says there is no evidence the vaccines are causing the clots.
The third, “Instead, many experts have pointed to COVID-19 itself or the refrigeration of bodies as a more likely cause of the clots observed.”, states there is evidence that the clots are caused by COVID-19 or refrigeration.
A ‘reasonable’ person would reject your claims.
So you are telling me they only started refrigerating bodies in 2021? They didn't do that prior to 2021?
Pull the other one.
DiogenesLamp wrote: “So you are telling me they only started refrigerating bodies in 2021? They didn’t do that prior to 2021?”
You’re overlooking the other probable cause, ie, COVID-19. See extract below.
“The third, “Instead, many experts have pointed to COVID-19 itself or the refrigeration of bodies as a more likely cause of the clots observed.”, states there is evidence that the clots are caused by COVID-19 or refrigeration.”
As stated in this link:
Photos of blood clots of unknown origin are insufficient to draw conclusions about the clots’ nature
Claims linking abnormal blood clots with COVID-19 vaccines mostly rely on anecdotes from embalmers that supposedly removed such clots from corpses. However, there is no verifiable information about when and how those samples were collected. Furthermore, it is important to keep in mind that embalming is different from conducting an autopsy.
Embalming is used to preserve bodies and prevent them from decaying. But embalmers neither take nor analyze biological samples and generally don’t have clinical information about the bodies they handle.
In contrast, an autopsy is a surgical procedure that aims to determine the cause and manner of death. The professional carrying out this procedure is a pathologist, a physician trained to perform autopsies and collect medical evidence. Taking into account the person’s clinical history, the pathologist examines the body and body tissues of deceased individuals in detail and requests any necessary laboratory tests. Based on this evidence, the pathologist can draw conclusions about why the person died.
Nikolaus Klupp, an associate professor of forensic medicine at the Medical University of Vienna, told Health Feedback in an earlier review that without a histological examination of the clots, “any conclusion would be unreliable”. Indeed, given the complexity of pathological examinations, it is clear that simply looking at a blood clot is insufficient to determine its origin and its role in the person’s death.
In fact, Klupp added that some of the blood clots looked to him “more like postmortem clots, mainly due to the color, the shape, and particularly because of the amount”. Monica Torres, a licensed embalmer in the U.S. state of Arizona, also said to AFP that “The blood clots are from refrigeration”, meaning that they formed after death. “It happens to many bodies”, she explained. Due to the large number of bodies to process, many “sat in refrigeration for long durations so they got blood clots”.
COVID-19 is much more likely to cause blood clotting than vaccination
A spokesperson from the U.S. National Funeral Directors Association explained to PolitiFact that some embalmers had indeed noticed an increase in the presence of blood clots in COVID-19-related deaths. But contrary to claims, the clots appeared in both vaccinated and unvaccinated people. Torres also told PolitiFact that blood clots were present in people who had died of COVID-19 “long before vaccinations were available”.
Since very early in the pandemic, researchers observed that COVID-19 increased the risk of VTE, particularly in patients with severe disease[4]. Later research showed that patients with moderate and even mild COVID-19 are also at a higher risk of blood clots compared to the general population[5,6]. Furthermore, this risk might remain elevated for up to one year after the infection[7].
Experts at Johns Hopkins Medicine explained that COVID-19-related clots form primarily in the lungs and large blood vessels in the legs. However, they can also affect other organs, such as the brain and kidneys, leading to stroke and kidney failure. In addition, damage to small skin vessels has been associated with rashes and so-called COVID toe, a condition that causes swelling and discoloration in one or several toes or fingers.
One problem. Some are so eager to prove the vaccines are worse than the virus, they jump on any narratives regardless of the source.
This isn’t the first time these blood clot reports have been posted on FR. They resurface every three or four months. Nothing new, just a repear of old unverified scare mongering.
Based upon your ‘refutation’ (?) or something, of the evidence of white clots, you buy into the MSM/Big Parma/Big gubmint/uniparty line, so there is no point in providing additional information. Like a ‘true believer’ in the ‘cult of vaxx’, no amount of information, short of perhaps, the loss of a loved one MAY convince you. Hopefully, you won’t suffer that loss.
A Formerly Proud Canadian wrote: “Based upon your ‘refutation’ (?) or something, of the evidence of white clots, you buy into the MSM/Big Parma/Big gubmint/uniparty line, so there is no point in providing additional information. Like a ‘true believer’ in the ‘cult of vaxx’, no amount of information, short of perhaps, the loss of a loved one MAY convince you. Hopefully, you won’t suffer that loss.”
IOW, Based upon your ‘refutation’ (?) or something, of the evidence against white clots, you buy into the anti-vaxxer conspiracy cult line, so there is no point in providing additional information. Like a ‘true believer’ in the anti-vaxxer narrative, no amount of information, short of perhaps, the loss of a loved one MAY convince you that the vaccines save lives. Hopefully, you won’t suffer that loss.
Once again, no response refuting the points in the links I provided.
Your second 'piece of evidence' is dated DECEMBER 21, 2021, over 2 YEARS AGO!Here is a link to videos posted by Dr. Campbell, referencing the increase in 'white clots' in 2021-2023. He has a video interviewing Maj. (ret.) Tom Haviland, where he details the results of his surveys of funeral homes. In another video, Dr. Campbell does NOT suggest causality, just a strong correlation between the 'vaccines' and 'white clots' over time and quantity. There were a few 'white clots' in 2021, a huge increase in 2022 and a slight lessening in 2023. He also suggests that such 'theraputics' be stopped until the cause of these clots is discovered.
Of course, politicians, the lamestream media (LSM) and the medical/pharmaceutical/industrial are not interested in such an investigation. Why? They are too invested, as are many, in the idea of 'safe and effective' shots, and that they 'done good' in promoting/FORCING the shots. That group fears the potential for MASSIVE lawsuits, loss of revenue, loss of trust and, very importantly (to them), PRIDE!
At the very LEAST, there should be an INVESTIGATION into the vast increase in 'white clots'. Will this happen? Of course not! Big Pharma is OVERWHELMED with cash, which they spend on lobbyists and MASSIVE adverts on the nightly news. Even now, on the internet here in Canaduh, you see adverts for Pfizer-BioNTech Comirnaty® vaxxes. You also see FedGouvCan adverts to get your booster shots.
Not to worry though, this will NEVER get investigated in Canaduh or the USSA, even under Trump. That is, of course, assuming the demonrats haven't put PDJT in jail on yet another fake 'criminal' conviction.
A Formerly Proud Canadian wrote: “In another video, Dr. Campbell does NOT suggest causality, just a strong correlation between the ‘vaccines’ and ‘white clots’ over time and quantity. There were a few ‘white clots’ in 2021, a huge increase in 2022 and a slight lessening in 2023. He also suggests that such ‘theraputics’ be stopped until the cause of these clots is discovered.”
The incidence of ‘white clots’ also correlates COVID-19 infections which the links I posted say is a much more likely cause than the vaccines. Why should we stop ‘theraputics’ that have saved millions of lives over the unlikely cause of these ‘white clots’ especially when there is no evidence that the ‘white clots’ have caused any deaths?
WORLDWIDE EMBALMER BLOOD CLOT SURVEY
Because people who actually work with dead bodies daily are too stupid to notice things.
Only government sanctioned "experts" are qualified to do so.
Never mind that government is the greediest, most corrupt and murderous force on Earth.
Gee, hope you do not catch the died suddenly.
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