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What $61 Billion for Ukraine Won’t Do
The American Conservative ^ | April 24, 2024 | Ted Snider

Posted on 04/24/2024 2:01:32 PM PDT by Navy Patriot

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To: Navy Patriot

good article, thanks


41 posted on 04/24/2024 4:09:06 PM PDT by CarolinaReaganFan
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To: PIF
"More stupid Russian Propaganda - so tiresome - many of the weapons are already in UKR and others are arriving in Poland."

If weapons were already in Ukraine, why were they not being used? Just asking for a friend.

42 posted on 04/24/2024 4:22:12 PM PDT by buckalfa (Gut feelings are your guardian angels)
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To: Williams
The American Conservative author Ted Snider:

"Ted Snider is a columnist on U.S. foreign policy and history at Antiwar.com. He is also a frequent contributor to Responsible Statecraft as well as other outlets."
The Antiwar.com founded by the late Justin Raimondo. To Snider's way of thinking, all the money and equipment sent to Ukraine thus far has failed to stop Russia too.
43 posted on 04/24/2024 4:52:23 PM PDT by Widget Jr (🇺🇦 Слава Україні! 🇺🇦 🛇 CCCP 2.0 🛇)
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To: Navy Patriot

All it needs to do is provide enough DISTRACTION up through November. Away from our crap economy, away from our Southern Border, away from out demented President onto in-fighting GOP, AND the Biden Regime’s wanton pandering to woke victim groups.

Either way, win or lose, Biden’s support to UKR ends this November. He won’t need the distraction anymore.


44 posted on 04/24/2024 4:58:53 PM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Williams

Instead of hurling insults at each other, why don’t you and Kazan spare us and settle your disagreement in a rational gentlemanly manner? I suggest pistols at twenty feet.


45 posted on 04/24/2024 5:09:56 PM PDT by Hiddigeigei ("Talk sense to a fool and he calls you foolish," said Dionysus - Euripides)
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To: Williams
What in hell are you babbling about? We're not at war with Russia, thankfully.

The war in Ukraine is 100% the result of our meddling in Ukraine. We fomented an illegal coup in Ukraine. We installed puppet government hostile to Moscow and to the ethnic Russian population in Ukraine. We trained and funded a 600,000 man army in Ukraine. We expanded NATO to Russia's borders after telling the Russians wouldn't expand NATO eastward in the early '90s. We teased NATO membership for Ukraine. We were running biolabs with deadly pathogens in them there.

If Russia or China had done anything like that in Mexico, we, justifiably, would have invade.

You're sick in the head. You're the one obsessed with Russia and Russians. It's that type of hate that endangers national and world security.

If you want to fight the Russians, get your sorry, gutless ass over to Ukraine and fight them and DIE there.

46 posted on 04/24/2024 5:13:40 PM PDT by Kazan
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To: Williams
There is nothing American about you.

You're siding globalist scumbags whose agenda constantly screws over the people of this country.

You're on the same side as Biden, Obama, George Soros, the World Economic Forum, Mitt Romney, Mitch McConnell and Lindsey Graham.

Our only interest in Ukraine was to suck money out of it for our elite.

47 posted on 04/24/2024 5:17:16 PM PDT by Kazan
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To: Williams
Get this through your skull -- EVERY INCH of territory Russia controls in what used to be Ukraine will remain part of the Russian Federation after this war is over.

The same is true of the territory Ukraine keeps losing daily.

If you disagree, put up or shut up and bet me $500 to a future freep-a-thon.

You don't care, though. All you care about, you sick Zeeper freak, is Russians dying. You care more about that than you do about the problems our politicians have created.

You're as much a cancer to this country as any leftist.

48 posted on 04/24/2024 5:20:27 PM PDT by Kazan
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To: dfwgator

Over 100 Republicans in the House voted for the Bill.
They will share the blame with RATS.


49 posted on 04/24/2024 5:53:56 PM PDT by tennmountainman ( (“Less propaganda would be appreciated.” JimRob 12-2-2023 DITTO)
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To: tennmountainman

But the Media is hammering the messsage that MAGA is the reason that Ukraine isn’t getting the help it needs.


50 posted on 04/24/2024 5:55:26 PM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: PIF

List the Weapons already in YouCrayne.


51 posted on 04/24/2024 5:55:30 PM PDT by tennmountainman ( (“Less propaganda would be appreciated.” JimRob 12-2-2023 DITTO)
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To: Navy Patriot

It’s over.

There are not enough Ukies or 155mm to save them.

Sad.


52 posted on 04/24/2024 5:56:29 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (DEI = Didn't Earn It!)
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To: Hiddigeigei

My money is on Kazan.


53 posted on 04/24/2024 6:01:10 PM PDT by tennmountainman ( (“Less propaganda would be appreciated.” JimRob 12-2-2023 DITTO)
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To: tennmountainman

Because you re anti-American?


54 posted on 04/24/2024 6:01:50 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: Navy Patriot

Joe Biden’s per his own statements did not involve winning. He declared a “porcupine strategy” of arming Ukraine sufficiently to make the cost of advancing so costly the Russians would slow to a halt. Meanwhile...sanctions will destroy the Russkii desire to continue.

As always Biden was wrong about sanctions working. But he did create a bloodbath, invite the mass destruction of Ukraine, deplete our weapons stockpiles, risk nuclear war, and leave the US and Europe closer to bankruptcy. Heckuva job, Brandon.


55 posted on 04/24/2024 6:02:06 PM PDT by Chewbarkah
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To: ansel12

From a March 1, 2024 article by the Voice of America

PENTAGON —
The United States will not hit its 155-millimeter artillery shell production goals unless Congress passes the supplemental funding bill that’s currently stalled in the U.S. House of Representatives, officials tell VOA.

Shortly after Russia’s invasion of Ukraine in 2022, Ukrainian forces began burning through U.S. stockpiles of 155 mm rounds used in howitzer systems, which the U.S. had provided to Kyiv to help defend its territory and citizens.

To quickly replenish U.S. stockpiles and keep up with demand for shells in Ukraine, the Pentagon set out to expand American production capacity from about 14,000 units per month before Russia’s invasion to 100,000 rounds per month in 2025.

“Without additional supplemental funding, we cannot achieve our goal,” a U.S. Defense Department official told VOA.

Plans to increase production

The U.S. is currently producing approximately 28,000 155 mm rounds per month, with a ramp-up plan to produce 70,000-80,000 rounds per month by the end of 2024, Pentagon spokesperson Jeff Jurgensen told VOA.

But 155 mm shell production will peak there unless additional funds are provided. A defense official told VOA that would not only prevent aid from flowing to Ukraine but would also impact the United States’ ability to replenish its own stockpiles.

An artillery duel

The U.S. and its allies have sent more than 2 million rounds of 155 mm artillery ammunition to Ukraine to help Kyiv repel Russian forces.

Analysts and former officials say howitzer systems have been among the most effective weapons provided to Ukraine. The war has largely become an artillery duel between Ukraine and Russia, with both sides burning through as many as tens of thousands of rounds each week.

The U.S. Army has said it needs Congress to approve about $3 billion more in funds specifically for expanding 155 mm artillery round production to quickly replace stocks depleted by shipments to Ukraine as well as Israel.

The U.S. began sending artillery rounds to Israel following Hamas’ deadly attack on October 7. Israel has vowed to remove Hamas from the Gaza Strip in response to the attack and launched an operation into Gaza that has killed tens of thousands.

https://www.voanews.com/a/without-more-funds-us-unable-to-hit-ammunition-production-goals/7510881.html#,

What you seem to be missing is that the Ukrainians use 7,000 to 8,000 shells A DAY! Do the math.

Another article on the subject

https://www.defenseone.com/business/2023/11/race-make-artillery-shells-us-eu-see-different-results/392288/

NATO, whose own procurement agency is also pursuing the acquisition of more 155mm rounds, is finding that prices have quadrupled.

In October, NATO’s senior military officer, Adm. Rob Bauer, said that the price for one 155mm shell had risen from 2,000 euros ($2,171) at the start of Russia’s full-scale invasion to 8,000 euros ($8,489.60).

For comparison, the U.S. currently pays $3,000 for its most modern shells, according to an Army spokesperson. That price includes the charge, fuze, and shell body.

Unlike the U.S., European 155mm production is primarily in the hands of the commercial market. That means that European countries can incentivize production increases through purchases, but cannot order factories to invest in automation, double shifts, or build new plants, as the U.S. has.

“There really isn’t any government that can command industry to produce more, they have to place orders through contracts,” said CFR’s Loss.

European munitions firms, meanwhile, have few opportunities to raise money from private hands, thanks to regulations on banks and arms makers, Loss said. They therefore have trouble increasing production merely on the expectation of higher orders.


56 posted on 04/24/2024 6:03:06 PM PDT by kabar
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To: Kazan; Williams
Yu are on the same side as Obama, Biden, WEF, Klaus Schwab, and Soros.

There is actually video of Obama simping for Putin. Bush and Obama going on about how great Putin is.

And Trump is against your side.

You are trying to push discredited lie that Hillary Clinton paid for.

You are a leftist neocon, and you constantly go on about how evil the U.S. is and it needs to be destroyed. Why are you even on this site? Are you a paid Biden or Hillary troll?

We don't need any paid leftist trolls here.

57 posted on 04/24/2024 6:09:15 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

Climb back under your hole NeoCon Nick.
The Majority of GOP House Members voted against YouCrayne Funding
when it came to the Floor for a vote.
Are you Pro-Zelensky or Pro-American?


58 posted on 04/24/2024 6:09:57 PM PDT by tennmountainman ( (“Less propaganda would be appreciated.” JimRob 12-2-2023 DITTO)
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To: kabar

All that blabbering to ignore that I pointed out the lie in your post.

“”””the artillery forces of the United States and its allies are almost completely dependent on the output of a single factory in Scranton, Pennsylvania.””””

What a silly lie that is, a lot of our allies make artillery shells and artillery, and new factories are being built, but the main point is a lot of our allies make artillery shells.


59 posted on 04/24/2024 6:12:38 PM PDT by ansel12 ((NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.))
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To: PIF

Still waiting on that list of Weapons already in YouCraynee


60 posted on 04/24/2024 6:42:10 PM PDT by tennmountainman ( (“Less propaganda would be appreciated.” JimRob 12-2-2023 DITTO)
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