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Darwinism Completely Refutes Intelligent Design
SPIEGEL ^ | December 26, 2005 | DANIEL DENNETT

Posted on 12/27/2005 2:13:35 PM PST by tbird5

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To: tbird5

"You say you want an evolution,
Well, you know,
We all want to change the world"


61 posted on 12/27/2005 3:22:00 PM PST by Revolting cat! ("In the end, nothing explains anything.")
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To: bigcat32

Here you go. :)

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-speciation.html

I find this most interesting, failed chromosome division in a diploid leading to tetraploidy. Double the chromosomes, double the fun.

"Rabe and Haufler (1992) found a naturally occurring diploid sporophyte of maidenhair fern which produced unreduced (2N) spores. These spores resulted from a failure of the paired chromosomes to dissociate during the first division of meiosis. The spores germinated normally and grew into diploid gametophytes. These did not appear to produce antheridia. Nonetheless, a subsequent generation of tetraploid sporophytes was produced. When grown in the lab, the tetraploid sporophytes appear to be less vigorous than the normal diploid sporophytes. The 4N individuals were found near Baldwin City, Kansas."


62 posted on 12/27/2005 3:23:02 PM PST by Sols
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To: tbird5

Just more arrogance. Yawn.


63 posted on 12/27/2005 3:23:55 PM PST by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Exalt the Lord our God, and worship at His footstool; He is holy. Ps 99:5)
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To: bigcat32

Oh, I should note there are many methods of speciation noted in that list. Some were forced in a lab environment and some were found in nature, and some where found naturally in lab environments where isolated populations suddenly exhibited mutations sufficient for speciation.


64 posted on 12/27/2005 3:25:58 PM PST by Sols
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To: balrog666

you join yourself to the godless like Mao, Stalin, Hitler(now there was Darwinism in action) and you're "troubled" the alliance between evangelical religion and right wing politics?


65 posted on 12/27/2005 3:33:46 PM PST by gusopol3
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To: goldstategop
If you can explain the processes of life in terms of empirical data, what do you need the supernatural for?

Where is the data?

FWIW. Long long ago we discovered how to make fire, by striking flint, or by rubbing wood together producing. That is no small accomplishment!!!

Much much later, we discovered gunpowder, and made guns and cannons.

Point being, IMO, I don't see an evolution of the mind, considering those examples. In fact, I think the former discovery is greater than the latter. Just maybe, our minds have not evolving as Darwin sugggests.

66 posted on 12/27/2005 3:34:55 PM PST by duckln
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To: duckln

So if we discover a simple but profound idea before we invent a complex machine that utilizes that discovery, homo sapiens is not generally more intelligent than homo erectus was?


67 posted on 12/27/2005 3:39:58 PM PST by Sols
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To: RadioAstronomer
bttt for later read.

Don't bother. Just a bunch of cr*p.

68 posted on 12/27/2005 3:44:17 PM PST by taxesareforever (Government is running amuck)
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To: Liberal Bob
"Right! And as soon as we find the failed species with three eyes and one ear and the deer with that extra set of eyes in the back of it's head we will show how stupid they are. /sarcasm >"

There are no failed species. Within each species there are mutant individuals whose mutation didn't improve their breeding or survival success so those mutations didn't enter the gene pool. Mutations that did improve the gene pool have become mainstream in each species.

69 posted on 12/27/2005 3:49:24 PM PST by muir_redwoods (Free Sirhan Sirhan, after all, the bastard who killed Mary Jo Kopechne is walking around free)
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To: RoadTest
God completely refutes Darwinism.

That's right. God was too weak, and didn't have the imagination required to design evolving life.

70 posted on 12/27/2005 3:52:43 PM PST by narby (Hillary! The Wicked Witch of the Left)
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To: jw777
DU called. They want their Lib back.

Is insulting Freepers a new Christian ministry?

71 posted on 12/27/2005 3:54:24 PM PST by narby (Hillary! The Wicked Witch of the Left)
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To: Sols

Although it sounds interesting why an outdated reference (1992)? I'll check out the link you've provided and also find out id anything came of this. Thanks.


72 posted on 12/27/2005 3:54:36 PM PST by bigcat32
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To: tbird5

Some Darwinists are terribly narrow minded. This guy and the rest of his crowd would also rule out extraterrestrial involvement.


73 posted on 12/27/2005 3:55:48 PM PST by muawiyah (-)
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To: bigcat32
Where is your proof that evolution was duplicated in a lab?

There's lots of links on PatrickHenry's list-o-links.

74 posted on 12/27/2005 3:57:12 PM PST by narby (Hillary! The Wicked Witch of the Left)
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To: MindBender26
Not defending Creationism, but what is your evidence that Intelligent Design is sourced back to Creationism?

Are you ruling out extraterrestrial involvement for example?

75 posted on 12/27/2005 3:57:28 PM PST by muawiyah (-)
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To: narby

Evolution theory is a fraud and anyone that believes in that theory just ignores truth and facts. There is nothing that supports evolution. If there is, present data.


76 posted on 12/27/2005 4:01:11 PM PST by mulligan
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To: narby

"Is insulting Freepers a new Christian ministry?"

Is rejecting God as Creator a new Freeper ministry?



77 posted on 12/27/2005 4:02:11 PM PST by jw777
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To: Doc Savage
You should review your post ~ it's very difficult to see which side you are supporting.

Then there's the referende to "glue sniffing".

Everybody knows the most chic thing to do these days is to sniff modern automtive paint!

78 posted on 12/27/2005 4:02:12 PM PST by muawiyah (-)
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To: narby

Your "proof" does not rule out the distinct possibility that extraterrestrials did the tinkering.


79 posted on 12/27/2005 4:03:17 PM PST by muawiyah (-)
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To: muawiyah
what is your evidence that Intelligent Design is sourced back to Creationism?

The ID textbook purchased in Dover Pennsylvania that the school board wanted students to read was "Of Pandas and People". The fact that an early draft of the book had the word "creationism" replaced with "Intelligent Design" in a later version is one clue that ID = creationism.

That, and the fact that I don't see any athiests promoting ID.

80 posted on 12/27/2005 4:03:30 PM PST by narby (Hillary! The Wicked Witch of the Left)
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