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EXILED TYCOON BEREZOVSKY THREATENS PUTIN WITH COUP BEFORE 2008 (Litvinnko)
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| 1/26/2006
| Marina Lapenkova
Posted on 12/02/2006 8:51:06 PM PST by GarySpFc
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To: GarySpFc
Berezovsky said at the first of the year he was going to cause a coup in Russia by 2008. That is his word. Now how in the world can that be Red propaganda? Then he would be killing people in Russia, not England. Why would someone who wants Putin out of power, kill Putin's number one critic ?
To: Sam Hill
Jim Robinson is well aware of my identity, and it is his right to choose who to ban. If I were a shill for Russia, then he would know.
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posted on
12/03/2006 3:44:18 AM PST
by
GarySpFc
To: Dustbunny
Berezovsky will be next.
If the FSB/SVR was into assassination, then Berezovsky would have been terminated long ago. He is a million times more dangerous to Putin than either Polikovskaya or Litvinenko.
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posted on
12/03/2006 3:48:19 AM PST
by
GarySpFc
To: GarySpFc
If the FSB/SVR was into assassination, then Berezovsky would have been terminated long ago. He is a million times more dangerous to Putin than either Polikovskaya or Litvinenko. But one of the reasons Litvinenko defected was because he had been ordered to kill Berezovsky. Billionaires are difficult to see, let alone kill. Especially when they have been tipped off that a plot was thwarted.
To: justa-hairyape
Why would someone who wants Putin out of power, kill Putin's number one critic ?
Where did you get the idea Polikovskaya is Putin's number one critic? You can Google on Polikovskaya and "unknown" and come up with 52,200 hits. Here is information from one such article.
Litvinenko And Limonov
by Copydude
Since every British tabloid has linked the dissident Litvinenko with Politkovskaya, lets link on.
As it happens, both Litvinenko and Politkovskaya were virtually
unknown in Russia. You wont find a copy of their sensational
books anywhere here - nor in the Russian language, that anyone can read.
Their combined threat to the Kremlin didnt add up to the square root of squilch.
All this will come as a shock to Daily Telegraph readers, but there isnt really a lot of call for fierce critics of Putin these days. Putin has a popularity rating of 79% at the last count.
Given Tony Blairs 22% at the last council elections, one might well ask which countrys citizens are being forced to live under an unpopular regime.
Of course, Putin has his detractors. But what do real heroic critics of Putin do? Well, on the whole they stay in Russia and protest in Russian, where they can be heard. Not a lot of point otherwise, is there? So you have to ask why they havent all been poisoned. Or - much better question - why Lord Bells PR firm has never espoused a single one of their worthy causes.
Probably the most courageous Russian dissident of recent times is
Eduard Limonov. Who? Thats the whole point. In 2001, the acclaimed but greying, 50 year old writer was jailed on the most bizarre charge of raising an army to march on Kazakhstan. It didnt merit a Western column inch. Ask
Mark Ames of the Exile:
"The Western media, so pious in its defense of Russian dissidents who share their liberal values, ditched all pretense of defending to the death those with whom they disagree. In Limonovs case, they suspended their liberalism and kept a conspiracy of silence."
Unlike Litvinenko, Limonov wasnt writing propaganda to order for Western consumption. He was a nationalist who - though unbelievable to Daily Telegraph readers - actually liked Russia. Oh, and he was also penniless. So when he was slammed in Lefortovo as a dissident, no
Pottinger PR hack was paid to write about beating wings taking him away. He just got beaten up and taken away, end of story. But all this was just a few short years ago. Remember? A weakened Russias assets were up for grabs. Britains City yuppies were set to plunder Russian banking and Shell and BP would corner the oil and gas. Under Yeltsin and the mobsters, it was like taking candy from a baby. So, note to editors - dont embarrass our new friends.
By 2003, Mark Ames had spent a lonely two years on a Free Limonov campaign and no one wanted to know - not even Amnesty International. (
I should know, I wrote to them personally without reply.) Incredibly, not even the French Government wanted to comment, even though Limonov held French citizenship. Mark noted that, if it had happened during the Cold War proper, a dissident writer like Limonov would have been given a Nobel Prize, just to say fuSk you CCCP. But now there were big bucks to be made by the West so Mark hit a brick wall. Dissidents dissing Russia not wanted.
This story is all a bit fringe he was told.
My my how times change. Now again we see those evil, energy hogging Russkies for what they are. And suddenly, dissidents are right back in media fashion.
Today, UKs Labour Minister Peter Hain joined the chorus of Telegraph readers and declared that the murky murder cast a shadow over Putin. Moralising Peter Hain, by the way, just happens to be one of our Labour Ministers who refused to condemn Guantanamo Bay.
On second thoughts, maybe Litvinenko should get a Nobel Prize. He doesnt deserve one as much as a real dissident writer like Limonov. But Sashas affair has exposed the hype and hypocrisy of the British media establishment like nothing else.
Copyright by Copydude - Reprinted with permission
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posted on
12/03/2006 4:44:01 AM PST
by
GarySpFc
To: justa-hairyape
Billionaires are difficult to see, let alone kill. Especially when they have been tipped off that a plot was thwarted.
Boris Berezvosky
Give me a break, I was in the Special Forces in the Sixties, and I can think of half a dozen ways to get him, and the SVR and GRU know hundreds of ways to get to get to and silence Berezovsky.
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posted on
12/03/2006 4:51:29 AM PST
by
GarySpFc
To: GarySpFc; gonzo
Good morning.
A little off topic, but why hasn't Putin and the Bear extracted their revenge for Beslan? Odd they have waited so long.
5.56mm
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posted on
12/03/2006 5:16:04 AM PST
by
M Kehoe
To: M Kehoe
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posted on
12/03/2006 5:22:13 AM PST
by
GarySpFc
To: GarySpFc
It's a start.
Thanks for the link.
5.56mm
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posted on
12/03/2006 5:30:02 AM PST
by
M Kehoe
To: GarySpFc
Thanks for the additional information. I always view your posts with some degree of suspicion due to your seemingly total support and bias for Putin. None the less, it is usually helpful to have as many points of view as possible.
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posted on
12/03/2006 5:53:38 AM PST
by
GBA
(God Bless America!)
To: ninenot; sittnick; steve50; Hegemony Cricket; Willie Green; Wolfie; ex-snook; FITZ; arete; ...
Read Dostoevsky Possessed (Devils). Everything is predicted there. Including strange murders.
"The majority and the mob never interested me. They are always conservative. All changes will be made by an active minority, like it happened in Ukraine," Berezovsky continued. By color coded revolutionaries?
Berezovsky added that "that Russia under Putin has practically lost the North Caucasus where separatism has grown stronger
Does he mean to establish Islamist state there?
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posted on
12/03/2006 5:54:23 AM PST
by
A. Pole
(Sir Walter Scott: "Oh, the tangled webs we weave when we practice to deceive.")
To: sageb1
Putin bears watching. He is bringing back too much state control and playing politics with natural resources. Substantial state control over lucrative natural resources is the main way to rebuilt and enrich Russia. Russia cannot be made into banana republic - it is too cold there for the bananas as Yeltsin rule has shown.
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posted on
12/03/2006 5:59:07 AM PST
by
A. Pole
(Hyman Roth: "We have now what we have always needed, real partnership with the government.")
To: GarySpFc
...and the SVR and GRU know hundreds of ways to get to get to and silence Berezovsky. No doubt. Some 'ways' could even include Polonium.
To: sageb1
You may be right about that, but there is no doubt that Russia is buying up natural resources and using them as leverage. This is a smart policy used also at times by Western countries too.
Should Russia be allowed into the WTO?
It depends if you want Russian economy to be more interdependent or Russia to be more free to make her own decisions. WTO has good and bad sides.
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posted on
12/03/2006 6:08:40 AM PST
by
A. Pole
(Hyman Roth: "We have now what we have always needed, real partnership with the government.")
To: GarySpFc
Why did Putin want Blair to gag the poisoned spy on his death bed, if he was not a great threat to Putin ?
To: Alter Kaker
find the nearest Jew (Berezovsky) and blame him for everything Just because Berezovsky is Jewish it does not give him immunity. Do you defend him because he is Jewish like you?
Do you feel guilty for him too?
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posted on
12/03/2006 6:18:33 AM PST
by
A. Pole
(Hyman Roth: "We have now what we have always needed, real partnership with the government.")
To: justa-hairyape
You're pettifogging to avoid the real issue, which is Berezovsky's plan to take down the Russian government.
John Reid, the home secretary, told the cabinet not to make assumptions about Litvinenkos death, pointing out that the former spy had been involved with organized crime as well as the KGB, Chechens and exiled Russian oligarchs.
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posted on
12/03/2006 6:18:56 AM PST
by
GarySpFc
To: A. Pole
Well, I'm here to learn. Still, I don't like the implications of various state clamp downs that seem to be coming out of there. I hope you're right.
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posted on
12/03/2006 7:00:12 AM PST
by
sageb1
(This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
To: GarySpFc
Hmmmm.... Blaiming George Soros for the killing of Livinenko??? As much of a socialist that Soros is, I don't think he has the resources to pull this off. Only someone with nuclear reactors and a strong spy agency has the ability to pull this off.
To: Tangaray
What part of "Russians killed 100 million in the last century" do you not understand?
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posted on
12/03/2006 8:08:37 AM PST
by
spanalot
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