Posted on 05/08/2014 3:57:35 AM PDT by GregNH
The people that Doug Vogt has accused of forging Barry’s BC in his SCOTUS filing are now posted on BirtherReport and also on this thread.
http://www.birtherreport.com/2014/05/report-doug-vogts-now-un-sealed-obama.html
I regard Vogt’s “evidence” to be baseless speculation of the worst sort against all of the people that he names, so except for one, I won’t repeat them here. I fully understand why Mike Zullo has distanced himself and the CCP from Vogt.
It is totally unfair to Miki Booth for her to be smeared based on speculative claims of Vogt which don’t even make sense to me, and I am a retired Certified Fraud Examiner.
I hope that FReepers who post on BR will rise to defend her. Presumption of innocence is a right we are all entitled to as well as a right to a jury trail and high-tech lynching is no more justified than the old-fashioned kind, IMO.
BTW, as can be expected the Fogblowers are howling with laughter over what gullible fools the BirtherReport “birthers” are because, sadly, many of the folks who post there are buying Vogt’s accusations and denouncing Booth!
That is an excellent summary, Seize. I don’t post at BirtherReport because I have seen several anti-Semitic rants there. After I red-flagged one of the worst ones & it failed to be deleted, I opted to take a ‘read only’ approach to the site. Not sure why the anti-Semitic stuff is tolerated. It doesn’t look good from any POV. Ditto the Vogt nonsense. If I were an Obot, this would be a good day for me. If I were a person trying to get at the truth of this pathological liar in the Oval Office, not so much.
I think the identification of Johanna Ah’Nee as a conspirator makes sense. IIRC, Zullo said that the person who made the forgery was/had to be a friend of Obama and Johanna is alleged to be a childhood friend of the same. Additionally, she purveyed some “authentic” birth certificates which also proved to be fakes. Based on my limited knowledge of the alleged conspirators, I think that this characterization seems plausible.
The link at BirtherReport that reveals the claimed BC forgers has changed for some reason to a different link (hacked to show a Alex Jones link?)
The correct link is:
http://www.birtherreport.com/2014/05/revealed-names-of-purported-obama-birth.html
Again, I reject all of Doug Vogt’s claims as to who forged Barry’s BC and am posting this for information only because this is in a public filing at SCOTUS.
Since the typography analysis he used to declare Obama’s BC a forgery is the same analysis he used on Booth’s BC (line spacing, word spacing, do you also reject his analysis of Obama’s BC?
Zullo also said he interviewed her and doesn’t consider her a suspect.
It’s interesting to note that BirtherReport seems to have a complete blackout on Orly. I can’t recall any mention of her in recent memory.
Vogt has an interesting theory that notification of a felony should lead to a Grand Jury investigation. However, his description of the “crime” seems contrived and often nonsensical.
He is wrong about the law. He had no duty to report the crime. He could only be charged with misprision of felony if he actively concealed by lying to investigators.
Seize, as usual I think you are taking the right approach to this. More than one of Vogt’s conclusions are less than compelling. I was shocked to see some of the users over at BR gleefully taunting the named forgers as if they had all just been indicted for multiple counts of felony fraud.
Vogt’s formerly sealed filing may do more harm than good on the Obama identity fraud front.
Agree that it has been a while since BirtherReport featured Orly. The last I recall was that fake email she received. Some lying Obot sent her a note that claimed to be from, iirc, Carl Gallups. She didn’t bother to even minimally verify its authenticity before going public with it. Maybe she went off half cocked once too often? There is no excuse for the deceitful, dishonest, childish & silly Obots, but Orly could at least have responded to Gallups privately, before making a big public deal out of it.
As far as Vogt’s big conspiracy goes, why is it SO big? How many ppl does it take to create an amateurish forgery? Why involve anyone more than is absolutely vital?
For example, if Alvin Onaka is really onboard, who else do you need? Why, for example, get Fuddy involved? She didn’t seem like a very bright bulb. What could she have contributed? All she would need to know is that the LFBC which was presented to her, was ‘accurate’. I.e.: Onaka could have handed it to her & said, “This is a legal & accurate representation of Obama’s birth info. Please verify it publicly.”
Fuddy came across as a Dem team player, & what reason would she have had to doubt Onaka? So she ends up validating the forgery, but she herself has a clean conscience & is therefore much more valuable as a witness.
What I’m saying is, it would be stupid & ridiculous to involve something like eight ppl. to make one lousy forgery. Involve one or at the absolute most two, & tell everyone else w a straight face that the document is valid. That’s what any non-moron would do. [For the record, I don’t think Obama or his team is very bright. They don’t come across as drooling idiots, though; they have a modicum of street smarts, at a minimum.]
I’ve said it before but it bears repeating. Three can keep a secret if two of them are dead. This far flung conspiracy of Vogt’s just doesn’t make sense on its face. Why take so many unnecessary risks? It doesn’t take a committee to create a deeply flawed forgery. One person w access to HI birth records—in this case, Onaka [were he actually committed]—is sufficient. No need for Ah Nee’s BCs or anyone else in a consulting role. Onaka creates the doc, & everyone else is pointedly told that it’s authentic.
Or so it seems to me. There are other issues too. Primarily, evidence, or the lack thereof. Just saying various people were involved doesn’t make it true. Nothing beats evidence, & I have yet to see any at all. But we’ll see how it plays out. Time will tell.
Have you seen these Sheriff Arpaio videos?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iij-5G26txY
At 30:00
“I’m going after a forged government fraudulent document, that’s all. And I’m still working it, getting a little closer because I got an idea whose behind it but that’s another big issue. I want enough proof so when I go public they don’t run me out of town. They tried that first press conference I had”
And this one at about 18:00:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Hx1xAf95ec
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