http://groups.msn.com/DissidentScientists
Posted on 05/04/2005 10:41:14 AM PDT by TapTheSource
==Sounds like the same difference to me.
Not the same difference at all. Read the link in post #9 to see what really causes AIDS.
From The NIH Site (This article is a long and detailed description of the history of AIDS, the current evidence supporting the HIV-AIDS link, and a more specific refutation of Duesberg at the end.)
==What causes AIDS? I believe I settled that in a post here yesterday- Fags.
You are partially right. Homesexuals destroy their immune system because they abuse immunosuppressive drugs to facilitate their sexual lifestyle. But they are only one of several main risk groups. It's not HIV that is killing them, it is either risky behavior (ie drug abuse) or malnutrion (such as in Africa), etc. Read the link in post #9 and it will all make sense.
LOOK WHO HAS JOIND IN THE LAST COUPLE OF MONTHS.
It seems almost every intelligent person is now joining the dissident cause against the insane liberal 'AIDS' myth
Ted Hill, Ph.d.
Kyle Hence, Director, 9/11 CitizensWatch
Brenda Foster, B.S. Biochemistry, University of Wisconsin-Madison
Wilhelm Godschalk, Ph.D. Biochemistry, Univ. of Leiden (Netherlands)
Jeffrey Dennis - Drug Action Service
Guido Sanchez - Public health education consultant, certified
Nassim Cassim Kamdar , MD
Oltunde Adedeji - Dept. Of Microbiology
Dean Esmay - Journalist
John Bleau, BSc
Gerardo Sanchez, Ph.D
Michael Donio, B.S. in Biochemistry and Molecular Biology
Kevin Corbett, BA (Hons) MSc PhD
Assistant Attorney General, State of Michigan
Michael Donio - Molecular Virologist
Shamita Basu, Ph.D(International Development Studies)
Ashok Kale, M.B.B.S., M.D.
Randy Cima, Phd
Okechukwu Ugwuh, BSc
Lynn Gannett - Former Data Manager for early AZT clinical trials
W. Robynne McWayne, M.D
Steven Hemmings, BSc (Chem)
Robert Bleakney, Ph.D
Randall R. Wayne, MA Biochem & Molecular Biology, Ph.D.
Stacie Smith, psychotherapist
Anne Spencer, PhD
Miguel Alvarez, Profesor de literatura
Rachel Stern, Master of Public Policy
Keidi Awadu, Talk Show Host LIBRadio 1
M. Dennis Paul, Ph.D
David Scott, M.A., M.Sc., Ph.D.
Lori Crawford, BA , BSW 1
Luis Del Castillo, MD
German Benitez, MD
Renzo Pareja Valencia - Cirujano Dentista
Flavia Angelico - Documentary film maker
Marvin R. Kitzerow Jr - Nutritional Science Research/Author
Gerardo Sanchez - Doctor en Filosofía
Héctor Lozada - Periodista
Jose ramon Lopez Gomez - Professo
Helman Alfonso - Lecturer
Donald Miller, M. D.(Professor of Surgery)
MIRLENIS MARTÍNEZ - Journalist
Jose Canas - Nurse
SJ Ward, B Eng (Hons)
Louis Ricci , Phd 1
Bruno Bruelhart, Phd
Leopoldo Della Ciana , Phd
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Not really. In your example, you're describing symptoms. The example the article uses are the actual, diagnosed diseases.
A better example would be saying that cancer is a direct result of having the influenza virus, and then proving it by documenting all cases of Leukemia, lymphoma, etc. where the influenza virus is present and calling it cancer. Those cases who had Leukemia, but didn't have the influenza virus, would be diagnosed with Leukemia, but not cancer.
The last time I met my idiot Republican Senator he tried to BS me on windmills....something I can refute on the back of an envelope....He couldnt grok that, he isnt going to grok this.
FR has been "tin foil" much longer than it has been respectable.
Its become obvious what causes AIDs..
Government money and other grants to study it, wring hands over it, produce demographic hyperbole, allocate pBS funds, and bloviate about CUREing IT for VOTES...
==Not if you damage it with various sexual diseases and drugs.
Long-term, end point drug abuse is what destroys the immune system in the majority of "AIDS" cases in the US and Europe. Africa is a different story.
GREAT POST
The waste of OUR money on so called 'AIDS' is insane: -
For every mortality: -
AIDS gets $2,400
Breast cancer $230
Heart disease $108
Diabetes $28
and these fanatics keep screaming..MORE, MORE, MORE!!
_______
Millions of children die needlessly
Nearly 11 million under age 5 succumb each year, largely to easily preventable illnesses, health experts say.
By EMMA ROSS
The Associated Press
LONDON – The lives of 6 million children under 5 could be saved every year if flu shots and other low-cost measures to prevent or treat disease were more widely used, global health experts say.
Every year, nearly 11 million children worldwide die before their fifth birthdays, most from preventable causes such as diarrhea, pneumonia, neonatal problems and malaria. Malnutrition is a major factor in more than half those deaths, researchers estimate.
________
The NIH is spending $3,084 on each citizen estimated as having HIV/AIDS
_________
TOP KILLERS
Diarrhoea: kills over 2m
Pneumonia: kills over 2m
Malaria: kills about 1m
(So called) Aids: kills about 0.3m
Measles: kills 0.1m
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/3022558.stm
Funny how you never hear about Diarrohea or see glossy TV commercials about the deaths it causes.
'AIDS' in Africa is based on the useless Bengui Definition that fits EVERY epidemic disease in the Third World (not even tests) and accounts for a mere 3% (WHO figure) of mortalities (even if you are fool enought to still believe in it) and yet commands 80%+ of ALL funding.
Utter Madness and a Crime Against Humanity.
Later
Regarding your Senator, I'm very sorry for you.
Regarding FR, ouch!
December 27, 2001 8:36 am RALEIGH, N.C.
The founder of a Johnston County AIDS agency -- accused in a 1998 state
audit of funneling thousands of dollars to himself, his mother and a former
employee -- has been charged with misusing federal money intended for
clients disabled by HIV.
James M. Wise, 51, of Selma was indicted last week on 10 felony criminal
counts of stealing undisclosed amounts of money, mail fraud and Social
Security fraud. If convicted, he could face up to 60 years in prison and
a $2.5 million fine.
Wise's wife, Janet, said Wednesday her husband was not available to discuss
the charges. She declined to discuss them herself. Wise is scheduled to
appear Jan. 17 in front of a federal magistrate judge William Webb in
Raleigh.
The FBI spent the past three years investigating allegations of health-care
fraud against Wise.
The government pursued the case after state auditors in 1998 accused
Wise of several questionable practices while he ran Drugs and AIDS Prevention
Among African-Americans, the Smithfield agency he founded to deliver community
services to people with HIV. The agency's mission also included educating
drug-users and their sex and needle-sharing partners about AIDS.
DAPAA received more than $1 million in federal and state funds through
state health officials between 1994 and 1997. The state's HIV/STD Prevention
and Care Section, where Wise's wife was previously an assistant chief,
awarded DAPAA $684,291 between 1993 and 1997.
The 1998 audit found that, with board members' approval, Wise temporarily
took 10 percent off Medicaid payments to DAPAA as personal compensation.
It also determined that Wise gave $3,435 to an employee for personal loans
and a salary advance that had not been repaid by the time the audit was
conducted.
Wise also arranged to receive $15,380 in housing subsidies from another
AIDS agency in checks made out to his mother, who owned no rental property,
the report said. At the time, Wise said that money eventually was used
for DAPAA programming.
State Auditor Ralph Campbell Jr. said in 1998 that a full audit was impossible
because the agency's books were in disarray.
Auditors referred the case to the State Bureau of Investigation after
chiding the agency's board of directors and state health officials for
not adequately monitoring the operation.
DAPAA's board reprimanded Wise after the audit report and installed
a new executive director. The organization has repaid some money to state
health officials, said Steve Cline, chief of the state Division of Epidemiology.
A DAPAA phone directory now lists Wise as founder and program director.
In internal documents, state officials reported as recently as 2000 that
they had received complaints from the agency's clients about the quality
and cost of housing it provides.
Janet Wise now operates an organization called Community-Based Learning
Alternatives Center, which provides services to people with HIV in Johnston
County. Cline said that after the audit, state health officials turned
over to criminal investigators the question of whether Janet Wise acted
unethically. The head of the FBI's Raleigh office said its investigation
into Wise's use of federal money is not finished.
Source: - CNSNews
A San Francisco AIDS activist has charged the Bush administration with
failing to address problems with oversight at the Centers for Disease
Control (CDC). Michael Petrelis alleges that CDC grant money intended
for San Francisco area AIDS groups has been diverted to fund activities
such as "fisting" classes, flirting classes, and sexy advertisements.
"There is a conspiracy of silence from both Secretary [Tommy] Thompson
and the White House," said Petrelis. "I have written Secretary Thompson
repeatedly and have not once gotten a response." "I wrote Secretary Thompson
regarding funding of some very wacky AIDS programs," he said, "Flirting
classes, fisting, bowling nights, HIV positive proms, and the CDC funded
a television ad in San Francisco that was so sexy that they couldn't even
show it on TV."
Gay AIDS charities try to promote the idea that AIDS is a heterosexual
disease but the Facts speak for themselves. Only 6% of AIDS cases in America
are heterosexual and almost all those are minority groups, African American
and Latin. AIDS which is now not even among the top fifteen diseases in
America is being used to fund homosexual activities with Federal funds
and donations for people thinking they are doing good.
WASHINGTON
Associated Press
The advertisements addressed to gay men were provocative: Learn to write
racy stories about your sexual encounters, choose toys "for solo and partner
sex" or share tales of erotic experiences. All of it was done at government
expense, in the name of preventing AIDS. These expenditures — along with
other recent allegations of fraud and abuse of federal money to fight
AIDS — have upset some AIDS activists and lawmakers. "The tragic consequences
are that people die when they don't get their vital medical services,"
said Wayne Turner, spokesman for the AIDS activist group Act Up in Washington.
"The days of the AIDS gravy train are numbered." Added Iowa Sen. Charles
Grassley, the senior Republican on the Senate Finance Committee: "We don't
have money to burn when people are suffering and dying." After learning
of mismanagement of AIDS money, Grassley won a commitment from the Health
and Human Services inspector general for increased audits of federal treatment
funds.
The sexually provocative prevention programs run by San Francisco AIDS
groups are funded in part from the $387.7 million the federal government
is spending this year on AIDS prevention. The government also spends $1.8
billion for medical treatment of low-income victims of AIDS and $257 million
for housing for low income and homeless sufferers of the sexually transmitted
disease that attacks the body's immune system. Allegations of mismanagement
or poor administration of the AIDS treatment funds have arisen in the
Kansas City area, Indiana and the District of Columbia.
The housing assistance program was criticized in Los Angeles. An AIDS
clinic operator in Dallas was sentenced to prison for using federal AIDS
funds to pay a psychic. Federal officials who administer the AIDS funds
say they rely primarily on state and local governments and — in the case
of prevention program content — citizen review boards to ensure the money
is spent properly. Lisa Swenarski, spokeswoman for the Centers for Disease
Control and Prevention, said the sexually provocative materials "have
been brought to our attention and we are looking into it."
Under CDC guidelines, prevention programs cannot promote or encourage
sexual activity. "We defend the process of having the local review panels
make those decisions," she said. Douglas Morgan, a director in the AIDS
bureau of the Health Resources and Services Administration, said state
and local governments that receive AIDS prevention grants "have been very
good in identifying these issues. We expect them to notify us" of fraud
and abuse.
But those who run the federally funded workshops on writing sex stories
and using sex toys say that was the only way to draw gay men into discussions
about AIDS prevention. "Many who are at risk experience AIDS-prevention
burnout," said Brian Byrnes, director of prevention services for the San
Francisco AIDS Foundation — the group that conducts the "Hot Writing"
workshop. "Like the marketing of any product, you need to find language
that will attract the target population: Men at high risk for HIV infection
or transmission," he said. San Francisco officials, who distribute more
than $40 million annually in federal treatment and prevention funds to
community AIDS groups, agreed. "If you put out a flier saying, 'Please
come learn how to prevent AIDS,' nobody shows up," said Steven Tierney,
director of HIV prevention for the city. Community organizations say prevention
experts participate in events with sexually provocative themes, but promotions
on the groups' Internet sites give no hint of a disease-prevention program.
"It was a dark and steamy night," began the advertising for the "Hot Writing"
seminar in San Francisco. "This pens-on-paper workshop is for guys who
like to write or want to finally get that sexy story down." Another advertisement
welcomed interested gay men "to our world of toys. Learn how to choose,
use and care for toys for solo and partner sex." Gay men were invited
in another program to "share tales of intercourse," part of a "Sex in
the City" series.
Other programs focused on pleasing sex partners, meeting friends without
paying cover charges and making sex more erotic. On the treatment side
of the federal AIDS effort, recent allegations of mismanagement of taxpayer
funds have prompted investigations across the country. An AIDS task force
appointed by Kansas City, Mo., Mayor Kay Barnes is holding public meetings
to determine whether funds were distributed fairly, especially to minority
groups. In Dallas, AIDS clinic operator Mythe Kirven pleaded guilty to
paying $27,800 in federal funds to a self-proclaimed psychic.
Kirven was sentenced to 18 months in prison and ordered to pay $262,828
in restitution. California's state auditor found in 1999 that the Los
Angeles Housing Department had not spent $21.8 million of prior-year federal
housing funds for homeless and low-income AIDS victims. Indiana officials
terminated contracts last year with the company that processes claims
for AIDS treatment services after learning that doctors, dentists and
other providers were not paid. A new contractor has been hired. In the
nation's capital, an audit found no documentation for almost half the
sampled disbursements of the HIV Community Coalition of Metropolitan Washington.
Sundiata Alaye, the group's new executive director, said changes were
made and "we've got an excellent control structure in place now."
WASHINGTON TIMES
Published: Nobvember 16, 2001
Author: Robert Stacy McCain
Taxpayers paid for AIDS-prevention projects that
encouraged sexual activity - in direct violation of federal guidelines
- and met the "legal definition of obscene material," an inspector general's
report has concluded.
Workshops with names such as "Booty Call" and "Great Sex" were sponsored
by the San Francisco Stop AIDS Project, which received nearly $700,000
in federal funding last year through the Centers for Disease Control and
Prevention (CDC), according to a report by Janet Rehnquist, inspector
general for the Department of Health and Human Services. The "Great Sex"
workshop "appears to directly promote sexual activity, which is not consistent
with CDC's basic principles," the IG's report said. The "Booty Call" workshop,
which "discusses the taboos of anal eroticism," does discuss "the harmful
effects of promiscuous activity," but also "appears to focus equally on,
and possibly to promote, sexual activity," Miss Rehnquist concluded.
The IG's study of CDC-funded AIDS prevention programs was ordered by
Health and Human Services Secretary Tommy G. Thompson in response to complaints
from members of Congress, including Rep. Mark Souder, Indiana Republican,
and Rep. Joseph R. Pitts, Pennsylvania Republican. "I'm very encouraged
by Secretary Thompson's prompt action on this," Mr. Pitts said in a statement
yesterday. "It shows that we have an administration that is accountable
and responsible." CDC guidelines for HIV/AIDS prevention funding were
first developed in 1986 and revised in 1992.
The guidelines prohibit the use of CDC funds for "education or information
designed to promote or encourage, directly, homosexual or heterosexual
sexual activity or intravenous substance abuse." CDC funding is also prohibited
for materials that violate obscenity standards established by the Supreme
Court's 1973 Miller v. California decision. San Francisco officials have
contended that provocative advertisements and sex-themed workshops are
necessary to attract homosexuals to AIDS prevention courses — a suggestion
that some AIDS activists find offensive. "The materials are sexually explicit,
meaning the only way to get the attention of a gay man in San Francisco
is through sex instead of using intelligence to reach gay men," said Michael
Petrelis, a San Francisco activist.
Mr. Petrelis cited advertisements for workshops on the Stop AIDS Project's
Web site — www.stopaids.org — that use obscene language to describe anal
sex. One ad proclaims: "Whether you like taking it or giving it, this
workshop is for you. How do our roles turn us on and keep us pumping?"
"That is what the American taxpayer is paying for with their money," Mr.
Petrelis said, noting that the CDC-funded efforts have failed to reduce
rates of HIV infection in the San Francisco area. Among other violations
of federal policy, Miss Rehnquist found that the Stop AIDS Project had
failed to subm
Overall, CDC funds accounted for 39 percent of the project's budget in
fiscal 2000. In forwarding the IG's report to members of Congress, Mr.
Thompson said the CDC has already "taken preliminary remedial actions"
in response to the findings and that he has requested Health and Human
Services Deputy Secretary Claude Allen to "conduct an examination of all
Department-funded HIV/AIDS activities." The IG's office will also "conduct
a more comprehensive review" of AIDS-prevention activities, Mr. Thompson
added.
Associated Press
Published: 11/16/01
Author: LARRY MARGASAK
Sexually explicit workshops that receive government AIDS - prevention
grants will undergo federal scrutiny, following an audit that found some
of the programs promote sexual activity and meet the legal standard for
obscenity. The inspector general of the Health and Human Services Department,
Janet Rehnquist, found that a workshop called "Booty Call'' included
material on the taboos of erotic sex along with information on avoiding
injury and disease.
A program called "Great Sex Workshop" examined ways of reducing
the spread of HIV but also explored sex that was 'safe, erotic, fun and
satisfying' Both San Francisco workshops, run by the Stop AIDS Project,
included information that could be viewed as directly promoting sexual
activity'' and as obscene, Rehnquist said. Tommy Thompson, the health
and human services secretary, said that Rehnquist will investigate all
AIDS-prevention grants while his office will separately review all AIDS/HIV
programs run by his department, including a much larger program for treatment
of low-income victims of the disease. Rehnquist's report, obtained Thursday
by The Associated Press, reviewed $698,000 in AIDS-prevention funding
by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. The AP reported last
September on questionable AIDS-prevention funding.
Officials at the Stop AIDS Project said they had no immediate comment.
However, community AIDS organizations in San Francisco and city health
officials have said that course materials have to be provocative to attract
gay men at risk of disease. They have insisted that the programs do stress
AIDS prevention.
The CDC's guidelines for prevention programs state the material used
cannot promote sexual activity or intravenous substance abuse, and cannot
be obscene under standards set forth by the Supreme Court in 1973 in Miller
v. California. The court said the obscenity standard is whether an average
person, applying contemporary community standards, would find that the
material appeals to prurient interest, and whether the content lacks serious
literary, artistic, political or scientific value."Using this guidance,
we believe that one might view the materials as encouraging directly sexual
activity and as obscene" Rehnquist found. She said the San Francisco
programs also were not approved by a local review committee as required
by the CDC. Rep. Mark Souder, R -Ind., chairman of a House Government
Reform subcommittee, had asked for the investigation. The programs in
question, most of them run by San Francisco AIDS groups, are funded in
part from the nearly $400 million the federal government is spending on
AIDS prevention.
The government also spends $1.8 billion for medical treatment of low-income
people with AIDS. Some AIDS activists have criticized the prevention workshops,
contending they promote gay sex rather than try to prevent disease. "I'm
heartened the inspector general of HHS is taking these issues seriously,"
said Wayne Turner, spokesman for the AIDS group Act Up in Washington.
Rehnquist said the ``Great Sex Workshop'' appears to include ``information
about HIV prevention, but it also appears to directly promote sexual activity.''
The course outline for ``Booty Call'' indicates the workshop ``discusses
the harmful effects of promiscuous activity'' bu t"nevertheless appears
to focus equally on, and possibly to promote, sexual activity"
The AP previously reported on similar programs advertised to gay men
and financed with CDC money. Advertisements said those attending would
learn to write racy stories about sexual encounters, choose toys ``for
solo and partner sex'' or share tales of erotic experiences. Rehnquist
is the daughter of Chief Justice William Rehnquist.
==However, after all these years in which researchers have been pretty routinely producing AIDS in lab monkeys by infecting them with the HIV virus, and not seeing AIDS develop in lab monkeys who were not deliberately infected with HIV, it seems the theory is pretty well disproven.
What are you talking about? That was one of the big frustrations for the AIDS Establishment, the monkeys refused to get sick and die of AIDS. Last I heard, they were happily playing in their cages and eating bananas.
My
Ass
Got
Infected
Coach
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