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The Intelligent Design Revolution
Good New Magazine ^ | Feb 2006 | Mario Seigle

Posted on 01/21/2006 10:37:25 AM PST by DouglasKC

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To: Oztrich Boy

>It's Paleyism, and it's not gaining ground

Is it not gaining grounds, or are you and your evolutionist friends are afraid of missing that federal grant check?


21 posted on 01/21/2006 9:45:41 PM PST by TheBrotherhood
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To: darkocean

>If ID is supposed to be a religious doctrine, which religion does it support or is it associated with?

It sounds more like an anti-religion cult, if you ask me.


22 posted on 01/21/2006 9:48:09 PM PST by TheBrotherhood
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To: DouglasKC

The Darwinists can explain mutations and species adapting to environmental conditions; BUT they cannot say how a single celled creature mutates into something else with a backbone, heart, lung and brain. Or how bones, teeth came about from something such as a jellyfish? Darwin predates by a century the discovery of DNA, therefore the theory is primitive at best by todays standards. And full of holes tooo.


23 posted on 01/22/2006 11:14:43 AM PST by brainstem223
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To: brainstem223

ID is an answer to the profound insufficiencies of Darwinism explaining the steps how single cell primal ooze becomes something as complex as a monkey; let alone a human. Darwin doesn't even have a theory for the plant kingdom, and plants too are living things.


24 posted on 01/22/2006 11:24:49 AM PST by brainstem223
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To: darkocean

In the Bloggers & Personal forum, on a thread titled The Intelligent Design Revolution, darkocean wrote:
"I've got a question for some of the evolution crowd here:

If ID is supposed to be a religious doctrine, which religion does it support or is it associated with?"

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I would have thought there might be a clue in the 'Topics' listed at the top of this section:


"TOPICS:
KEYWORDS: CHRIST; DESIGN; EVOLUTION; GOD; INTELLIGENT; ORIGINS"


25 posted on 01/22/2006 6:25:11 PM PST by Dean Morrison
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To: andyk

Speaking of flying sparks.... here's an interesting little exercise that should spark some constructive debate regarding the challenge that ID may pose for evolution...

But first, a quick backgrounder: San Diego is a global biotech powerhouse thanks in large part to the Salk Institute (www.salk.edu) and the Scripps Research Institute (www.scripps.edu). Some of the world's most distinguished scientists (including several Nobel laureates) work there. Both institutions have produced "cutting-edge" research in biology/biochemistry/molecular-biology that has led to major advances in treatments for cancer, diabetes, etc.

Anyway, let's get back to that little exercise I was talking about. If folks open browser windows pointed at www.salk.edu and www.scripps.edu, they'll find that both web-sites have convenient "search" facilities. Using the search facilities, people here should try conducting separate searches on "evolution" and "intelligent design". (Include the quotation-marks around "intelligent design" so that the search focuses on the entire phrase rather than the indivdual, separate words.) Then they should compare the results of the "evolution" vs. "intelligent design" searches for both the Salk and Scripps web-sites. This will give people a pretty good idea how well "intelligent design" stacks up against "evolution" as valid science.


26 posted on 01/22/2006 7:41:18 PM PST by caerbannog
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To: DaveLoneRanger

ID Bump


28 posted on 01/22/2006 7:45:34 PM PST by TheBrotherhood
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To: caerbannog
You are familiar with the aether theory of electromagnetism, eh? That was valid science for many years, Still is, to a point.

Naturalistic (meaning designer-free) evolution is a crock. While a to some extent a nice construct for observational and modeling purposes, it insists on acceptance of a "just-so" blindness that to me, at least, parallels the old acceptance of the aether.

29 posted on 01/22/2006 7:49:12 PM PST by bvw
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To: DaveLoneRanger
I'll give it a read, but WallCrawlr does more of the ID-centered pings.

Thanks Dave...

31 posted on 01/22/2006 8:03:28 PM PST by DouglasKC
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To: DaveLoneRanger

Very interesting and informative article. There is a lot that science cannot answer about life. One of those things is that they can't explain how life arose from non-living matter. The other thing I don't see addressed is the issue of death. What is it that keeps a living creature alive? What causes the death? What distinguishes a living body from a newly dead one. They have the same chemical composition, so what is it that in one minute constitutes a living being and the next a dead one? How does the whole organism die at once? I understand if the brain is injured but other than that?

Science is a means to an end and not an end in and of itself. I think some people have forgotten that and forgotten that there is truth outside of science; things that science cannot answer or even address but are true and real nevertheless.


32 posted on 01/22/2006 8:33:14 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: DouglasKC

Good article. It's a subject that Darwinists don't really understand. Nor do they understand the limits of empirical science. The subject of the origin of life traditionally has been a religious issue. It is not one that science can deal with in a conclusive manner, because the data aren't available and the events cannot be reproduced or reobserved.

Darwin's explanation was not based on an scientific evidence, but on a belief that life developed in the same way humans (usually considered intelligent beings) developed technology or literary works. He knew nothing of genetics or the conplexities of the internal operations of the cell. Physicists of his day didn't even know that atoms consisted of smaller particles. His modern disciples, instead of attempting to develop a theory looking at modern knowledge, attempt to force scientific evidence to fit Darwin's beliefs. An exception is Carl Woese who suggests that different species developed from different cells with that accumulated large amounts of DNA before growing into multicelled animals.

Advocates of I.D. use science in the same way scientists use physical evidence to attempt to determine how fires occur or the cause of death in homocides. I.D. advocates recognize the near impossiblity of complex physical systems called biological life developing without the aid of some form of Intelligence. The only dynamic physical systems that are comparable to biological life in terms of complexity of structure and operation are machines constructed by humans.

Darwinists are confused by the fact that I.D. recognizes that more than one possibility exists for the nature of this Intelligence and how the Intelligence might have produced biological life. Religion can offer definitive explanations. Science often cannot. In a murder investigation a pathologist sometimes cannot do more than state that a murder occurred through the action "of a person or persons unknown."

Definitive explanations for the identity of any Intelligence requires evidence that cannot be discovered. There is "hearsay" evidence for dieties of various names creating life, but no physical evidence to prove which diety could have done it. Extra Terrestrials are another possibility. E.T. would not have had to actually visit earth. E.T. could have placed DNA or even spores on comet or asteroid type bodies and launched them through space to develop on any planet with appropriate conditions.



33 posted on 01/22/2006 9:54:52 PM PST by reasonmclucus (solving problems requires precise knowledge of the cause and nature of the problem.)
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To: reasonmclucus
I.D. advocates recognize the near impossiblity of complex physical systems called biological life developing without the aid of some form of Intelligence.

Then surely they recognize the impossibility of that intelligence developing without the aid of some form of intelligence, don't they?
34 posted on 01/22/2006 11:48:49 PM PST by aNYCguy
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To: reasonmclucus
Advocates of I.D. use science in the same way scientists use physical evidence to attempt to determine how fires occur or the cause of death in homocides.

Good analogy and great post. Thanks for your contribution.

35 posted on 01/23/2006 5:18:24 AM PST by DouglasKC
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To: reasonmclucus
Advocates of I.D. use science in the same way scientists use physical evidence to attempt to determine how fires occur or the cause of death in homocides.

Good analogy and great post. Thanks for your contribution.

36 posted on 01/23/2006 5:18:25 AM PST by DouglasKC
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To: caerbannog
LOL, sorry, I don't have time for your pedantic exercises. Search results of either institution could merely be colored by the attitudes of the individuals who work there. I don't have an interest in the argument at this time, aside from reading the threads that are posted here.
37 posted on 01/23/2006 8:59:26 AM PST by andyk (Fear my strategery of misunderestimation.)
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To: andyk
LOL, sorry, I don't have time for your pedantic exercises.

Hmmmm... so you've got time to waste posting to a freeper forum, but you don't have a couple of minutes (and that's all it would take) to visit the web-sites of two world-class research organizations to find out what *real* scientists doing *real* work think of intelligent design.

Search results of either institution could merely be colored by the attitudes of the individuals who work there.

I know that spelling-flames are in bad form, but it looks like you mis-spelled "expertise".

38 posted on 01/23/2006 11:30:58 AM PST by caerbannog
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To: caerbannog
Hmmmm... so you've got time to waste posting to a freeper forum, but you don't have a couple of minutes (and that's all it would take) to visit the web-sites of two world-class research organizations to find out what *real* scientists doing *real* work think of intelligent design.

LMAO! I haven't wasted any time here. I just don't have time to satisfy your needs.

I know that spelling-flames are in bad form, but it looks like you mis-spelled "expertise".

At least I know I pegged you from the start, you clever girl.
39 posted on 01/23/2006 12:56:20 PM PST by andyk (Fear my strategery of misunderestimation.)
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