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Old Stone Forts of the Shenandoah Valley
Backcountry Notes ^ | March 27, 2010 | Jay Henderson

Posted on 03/27/2010 6:35:38 AM PDT by jay1949

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To: jay1949

My ancestors spread westward. They included some of the original settlers in Harper’s Ferry, W. Va., and then moved into Ohio, Illinois, and Texas. During the Civil War, they fought on both sides.

Somehow, my mother’s branch of the family was cut off from the others, and she was unaware of her ancestry. Her relatives speculated that the family name might be of German, Swedish, or Greek origin, but through the Internet, I finally discovered our history.


21 posted on 03/27/2010 7:49:43 AM PDT by Taft in '52
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To: alexander_busek
"I take it that the familiar expression "Pennsylvania Dutch" is actually a corruption of "Deutsch," and thus that many people who are proud of their Dutch ancestry are, in actual fact, of German extraction."

No, we know we're German; It's everyone else who incorrectly call us Pennsylvania Dutch.

22 posted on 03/27/2010 8:32:46 AM PDT by Trinity5
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Jay, in researching early settlements in VA I come across references to a “Manor House”. I understand it’s not a reference to a single particular structure as I’ve seen references to a “Manor House” in several communities.

So how does a structure come to be known as a “Manor House”?


23 posted on 03/27/2010 8:36:56 AM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Alfred E. Neuman for President! Oh, wait a minute ...)
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To: VeniVidiVici

A “manor” was usually thousands of acres owned by one family...

The “masor” house wasw usually the family hose...

In Albany, the Livingston Manor covered several sq miles of land...

Just one poor yung man arrived about 1700 and within 20 years had built himmself an empire...

My Irish ancestors arrived as indentured servants about 1720 and worked at the Livinston Manor...

Another one was the Cordlandt Manor which took up a lot of Westchester County...


24 posted on 03/27/2010 9:01:32 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Tennessee Nana

The “manor” house was usually the family house...


25 posted on 03/27/2010 9:02:55 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: VeniVidiVici

“Manor house” had a specific meaning in Great Britain — i.e., the house (usually stone, often fortified) of a noble located on his estate. In this country, the gentry/planters often referred to their houses as “manor houses” or “mansion houses.” It came to mean simply a big house located on a tract of land.


26 posted on 03/27/2010 9:09:46 AM PDT by jay1949 (Work is the curse of the blogging class)
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To: jay1949
I'll bet they intermarried with or at least lived in the proximity of some Scotch Irish or Scots while they were in NC. ". . . stayed there till they were run out . . . " The use of "till" in this manner is a characteristic of Scottish English which was imported into Appalachian English.

Yes, they were German (came over in 1717) but intermarried with the Scotch-Irish Boone family while living in the Forks of the Yadkin in N.C. They then settled in Pendleton County, V.A. in 1763 where they built a stone blockhouse fort.

27 posted on 03/27/2010 9:36:09 AM PDT by Inyo-Mono (Had God not driven man from the Garden of Eden the Sierra Club surely would have.)
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To: Inyo-Mono

Pendleton County has some beautiful, rugged mountains. Boreal forest in the highest country — red spruce, snowshoe hares and such. Interesting place.


28 posted on 03/27/2010 1:10:11 PM PDT by jay1949 (Work is the curse of the blogging class)
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To: Tennessee Nana; jay1949

Thanks for the replies.

I know my last ancestor to have died in Virginia before their migration to West Virginia did so in Giles county “at the Manor House”. Course I had always thought too that it was the family home and the above really does nothing to contradict that. But the context of some other references led me down a path of thinking it was possibly an inn of some sort, or indeed the largest house of the largest landowner in the area.

Jay, I’m sure my ancestor had a farm right along Sinking Creek not too far from that Link Farm covered bridge you showed us last week. Plus there is a plaque out front of the courthouse in Pearisburg that lists about 50 militia that were called out to fight at the Battle of Point Pleasant in 1774. His name is on it which confirms he lived in Giles County!

I’m in the right area for where his homestead was, I just need to clinch it :-)


29 posted on 03/27/2010 7:16:43 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Alfred E. Neuman for President! Oh, wait a minute ...)
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To: alexander_busek
I take it that the familiar expression "Pennsylvania Dutch" is actually a corruption of "Deutsch," and thus that many people who are proud of their Dutch ancestry are, in actual fact, of German extraction.

Oh, it gets more tangled up than that, lol. My "German" ancestors came from Alsace-Lorraine, Canton Basel Switzerland and Bohemia, as well as various locations within the modern nation of Germany, which did not exist at the time.

The only safe way to say it without error would be that they were German speaking.

30 posted on 03/27/2010 7:21:49 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: Inyo-Mono

The blockhouse that everybody fled to during frequent Cherokee raids, in my direct paternal line, was Major Joseph Winston’s, he being of King’s Mountain and Guilford Courthouse fame.

Winston was a cousin of Patrick Henry, and my fifth great grandfather’s next door neighbor on the Town Fork Creek, in what was then Surry County, NC. Winston’s body was moved from there and reinterred at Guilford Battleground National Military Park, with a large monument to himself and the Surry County Militia under his command.


31 posted on 03/27/2010 7:35:08 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: RegulatorCountry

Small world. One of my sixth-great grandfathers, John Penn, is also buried on the grounds, at the Signers’ Monument. Neighbors, almost. (Why two NC Signers we re-interred at Guilford CH is difficult to fathom, since neither was there for the battle.) The Town of Winston — next to the town of Salem — was named in honor of Major Joseph Winston.


32 posted on 03/27/2010 9:11:16 PM PDT by jay1949 (Work is the curse of the blogging class)
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To: VeniVidiVici

Might be a challenge. Giles County was formed in 1806 from parts of several other counties. See http://www.myvirginiagenealogy.com/va-county-giles.html#eh

So that’s when the records start — http://www.myvirginiagenealogy.com/va-county-giles.html#court

As of 1774, what is now Giles County was contained in Fincastle and Botetourt Counties. As of 1770, it was part of Botetourt County; before then, it was part of Augusta County, which was huge. See http://www.familyhistory101.com/maps/va_cf.html

If you know when your ancestor homesteaded, you know where to look for the records. The Augusta County land records start in 1745; Botetourt County land records start in 1770.


33 posted on 03/27/2010 9:35:02 PM PDT by jay1949 (Work is the curse of the blogging class)
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Might be a challenge.

Ah, yes it is :-)

The original homestead was further north, up near Staunton I believe. It was part of the original Borden land grant. I have a few names with cemetery hits all around the area - North Mountain, Tinkling Springs, Stover - but nothing that actually says LOOK HERE. I knew Giles county was carved out of Augusta county but for some reason checking Staunton for land records escaped me. Heck, I was even there looking for a house my great-uncle used to own.

I've been to the historical society in Pearisburg and they were very helpful. Odd hours though :) Guess my next stop after Mountain Lake is Staunton this year!

34 posted on 03/27/2010 11:18:31 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Alfred E. Neuman for President! Oh, wait a minute ...)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets; jay1949; TLEIBY308
Thanks for the feedback, all of you!

I am fascinated by (and envious of) your casually-mentioned references to ancestors coming to America in the early 1800s, participating in historic battles, establishing 1,000-acre farmsteads (plantations?), being re-interred, etc.

You folks are, of course, conservatives. But I wonder how anyone else with blood like that coursing through their veins (and an understanding of how their forebears conquered a continent) could be anything but conservative, patriotic, and individualistic?

Regards,

35 posted on 03/28/2010 3:43:58 AM PDT by alexander_busek
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