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Does Obama Want the Best for America or Does He Want to Destroy It?
American Thinker ^ | 2-13-11 | Jack Kerwick

Posted on 02/13/2011 6:26:57 AM PST by radioone

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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; Delacon; ...

Thanks radioone.
One school insists that while the president's policy prescriptions are indeed ultimately destructive, he nevertheless genuinely believes that their implementation is what's best for the country... Members of the other school are convinced that Obama is resolved to weaken America... This may come as a shock to both sets of apologists, but a synthesis of their perspectives is attainable.
Doesn't matter which is correct -- we will finish him before he finishes us.

BTW, American Thinker appears to suck.


41 posted on 02/13/2011 7:32:28 AM PST by SunkenCiv (The 2nd Amendment follows right behind the 1st because some people are hard of hearing.)
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To: LA Woman3
Isn't it obvious?

It couldn't be more obvious. That is, for those of us with brains in our heads. I would have liked to believed that all of us here at least understands what is happening. Apparently not.

42 posted on 02/13/2011 7:33:39 AM PST by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: radioone

Zero is a malignant narcissist and arrogant Stalinist thug whose sole purpose in life is to destroy this country.


43 posted on 02/13/2011 7:35:06 AM PST by SVTCobra03 (You can never have enough friends, horsepower or ammunition.)
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To: ETL

I’m aware of every fact that you’ve spammed this thread with, but I disagree that he’s a Black Liberation revolutionary communist. What he is is a typical screwed up left-liberal who wishes America were Sweden, but he does not wish it were the Soviet Union or Cuba. To believe that is to take things way too far, to a point that is just silly.


44 posted on 02/13/2011 7:37:24 AM PST by Yardstick
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To: radioone
We can all agree that Obama is further left than the typical effete, east-west coast lib. These people frequently champion particular leftist causes, but they certainly don't want to destroy capitalism and give up their pampered life-styles. Obama is of a different stripe. He desires a radical transformation of America making Limbaugh's characterization of him closest to the mark.

But does Obama want to consciously "destroy" America as it is? I'm sure The Grand Redistributor doesn't think so. He thinks he's improving America by making everything more "equal."

45 posted on 02/13/2011 7:38:11 AM PST by driftless2 (For long-term happiness, learn how to play the accordion.)
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To: SunkenCiv
BTW, American Thinker appears to suck.

Normally they're pretty good. But misguided/uninformed authors like this one do more harm than good.

46 posted on 02/13/2011 7:41:55 AM PST by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: radioone

yes and yes

obama ayers axelrod jarret, inc believe that the best thing for America IS to be destroyed, then rebuilt by progressive forces under their superior wisdom and concern for the downtrodden


47 posted on 02/13/2011 7:50:40 AM PST by silverleaf (All that is necessary for evil to succeed, is that good men do nothing)
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To: samtheman
No, I was being dead serious. Obama is not a revolutionary communist. Yes, he's serious when he talks about wanting to fundamentally transform America, but all left-liberals want to fundamentally transform America. All left-liberals want to see our overly competitive, socially unjust, overly meritocratic, arrogant, overly free country (all of these as they see it of course) changed into a European style ultra-secular redistributive nanny state. And that would indeed be a fundamental change in the basic identity of America, but that does not make them communist revolutionaries. There are a few of them, as you really get out towards their fringe, who do literally want a communist revolution, but Obama isn't that far out.
48 posted on 02/13/2011 7:50:56 AM PST by Yardstick
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To: radioone
Medveds should remember that the Jews of Germany willingly, with remarkably very few examples of resistance, stepped up into the cattle cars thinking that no one could be **that** evil.

Obama is a MARXIST! All his life he was surrounded by Marxists, mentored by them, and now he chooses Marxists for his advisors.

Marxist have proven, repeatedly in the last century, that they are **that** evil.

Medved is an idiot with a high IQ.

49 posted on 02/13/2011 7:53:19 AM PST by wintertime
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To: Yardstick

So all that stuff in his history, Ayers, Wright, all of that... that means nothing.

Olympia Snow has all that stuff in her history, too, right?


50 posted on 02/13/2011 7:54:35 AM PST by samtheman
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To: radioone

He will never get rid of that chip on his shoulder


51 posted on 02/13/2011 7:59:29 AM PST by jersey117
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To: radioone

The Kenyan Impostor is a Manchurian Candidate molded from childhood to destroy America. The reality of the disaster is too large for some to contemplate.

BOR is a self obsessed dope. Why is he even mentioned?


52 posted on 02/13/2011 7:59:52 AM PST by y6162
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To: Yardstick
He believes that turning America into a European style soft-socialist nanny state
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“Soft” socialism?

I don't think so. Look at the flamingly hard core Marxists which he has sought out and surrounded himself. Do you seriously believe these men and women would be satisfied with “soft” socialism?

53 posted on 02/13/2011 8:00:20 AM PST by wintertime
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To: Thermalseeker

I’ve had several obama worshippers heatedly deny that he wants to destroy this country. They just can’t see it but they also can’t explain why he’s doing what he’s doing. They simply blindly follow. And, by the way, I’ve removed myself from those people’s lives.


54 posted on 02/13/2011 8:05:10 AM PST by Terry Mross (We need a SECOND party.)
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To: Terry Mross
They simply blindly follow.

There are a lot more who call themselves "Republicans" who do the exact same thing. A lot of people are stuck on the notion that simply because someone has an "R" after their name they can do no wrong.......

55 posted on 02/13/2011 8:25:40 AM PST by Thermalseeker (The theft being perpetrated by Congress and the Fed makes Bernie Maddoff look like a pickpocket.)
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To: samtheman
No, all that stuff means a lot. But it doesn't mean he's a Black Liberation revolutionary communist who wants to destroy America. He strikes me as being not too different from most ideological "progressives", most of whom agree with most of the left's basic premises, which they basically share with the hard socialist left, but which does not make them communist revolutionaries.

Part of the problem of understanding liberals is that we expect them to be consistent in their reasoning. But they're not. There's huge doublethink going on in their heads. They obviously don't really believe in private property or that people's rights are God given, and in that sense they are in perfect agreement with your typical communist, yet they are not communists.

I think some of that is going on with Obama. I think he identifies in a fundamental way with the hard left, and is sympathetic to the hard left, and agrees with many of the hard left's premises, but I don't think he is anything like a literal communist.

56 posted on 02/13/2011 8:27:18 AM PST by Yardstick
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To: Yardstick
The following Alinsky, Rule 5 comment, is presented with no commercial intrerruption:

And you are (not) a spambot hysteric."

57 posted on 02/13/2011 8:54:36 AM PST by Beckwith (A "natural born citizen" -- two American citizen parents and born in the USA.)
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To: wintertime
Look at the flamingly hard core Marxists which he has sought out and surrounded himself. Do you seriously believe these men and women would be satisfied with “soft” socialism?

Look, leftwingers are never satisfied with anything. Their vision of the future is almost totally a direction, not a destination. They never state an end point. A guy named Voegeli who wrote a pretty good book recently called Never Enough where he basically pored over decades of statements and writings by prominent liberals and found that they literally never try to identify the outer limit. It's like it's just not part of their thinking.

So it really is almost pointless to speculate about whether he wants to turn America into Sweden or Cuba. We do know he has packed his administration with people who would like to take America in the same direction he'd like to go, but these people are the standard left-liberal types. They are a known quantity. They are the same academics and activists who are basically on call for whenever a Democrat administration moves in. Hillary would have packed her administration with many of the same ones. It's like a culture that moves in. And they are on average very far to the left, but they are not Castro and his cadres.

58 posted on 02/13/2011 8:56:46 AM PST by Yardstick
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To: ETL

The funniest thing about that Ayers’ video (34) is when the old commie tells the reporter to get off his stoop:

“It’s private property.”


59 posted on 02/13/2011 8:57:07 AM PST by Beckwith (A "natural born citizen" -- two American citizen parents and born in the USA.)
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To: Beckwith

Just responding in kind.


60 posted on 02/13/2011 8:59:36 AM PST by Yardstick
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