Does Obama Want the Best for America or Does He Want to Destroy It?

American Thinker ^ | 2-13-11 | Jack Kerwick

[Beckwith]

Obama is not a revolutionary communist.

Correct! He is a revolutionary socialist.

Communists believe in the violent overthrow of a government.

Obama is content to overthrow our constitutional republic through more subtle means, and ill-informed folks like yourself are his primary weapon.

[ETL]

I don't think he is anything like a literal communist.

That appears to be your problem: you don't think.

[Yardstick]

No, he’s not a revolutionary. He’s not overthrowing anything. The congress voted his agenda through. Are they revolutionaries? If so, then the word is pretty weak.

And he may well be a socialist in some sense, in fact I think he is, but so are most liberals, so what does that prove?

[ETL]

He is a revolutionary socialist. Communists believe in the violent overthrow of a government.

With all the clueless dopes we have running around out there today, there really isn't any need for a violent overthrow. They can (and did) achieve their ends through the election process. Communist Party USA came up with the following slogan for the 2008 elections: "Revolt With a Vote"

Dynamic Magazine Spring 2008 Double Issue!

Spring 2008, Issue 18
by Dynamic Committee, 30.04.2008 14:57

Author: YCLUSA [Young Communist League USA]
First published 04/30/2008 16:09 by (article_topic_desc)

Dynamic is the magazine of the Young Communist League USA. It includes art, politics, and culture written by youth, for youth.

The 2008 Spring Double issues includes articles about the youth impact on the 2008 elections, youth participation in unions, the writer's strike and its impact on a family that struggled through it, and much more!

Once on the site, click "youth impact" for article:
http://www.cpusa.org/article/articleview/941/1/36/

Obama-file 20: Young Communist League Backs Barack Obama-Again
The Young Communist League USA is the youth wing of the Communist Party USA.
http://newzeal.blogspot.com/2008/02/obama-file-20-young-communist-league.html

[Yardstick]

That appears to be your problem: you don't think.

Good one, ETL. Very sharp.

[ETL]

The funniest thing about that Ayers’ video (34) is when the old commie tells the reporter to get off his stoop: “It’s private property.”

Lol! What about when he calls the police to help him out. As you well know, his revolutionary communist terror group bombed police stations, killing and maiming several police officers. In fact, Ayers himself implicated his now wife Bernardine Dohrn for planting the bomb that killed and maimed for life some officers in San Fran during the 70s. There is yet another attempt to reopen that case.

[ETL]

“There is none so blind as he who will not see.”
— Anonymous

[Yardstick]

They can (and did) achieve their ends through the election process.

Their centerpiece being the start of a socialized healthcare system which is intended to put us on par with the European nations. Most liberals have been pushing for this since forever. How does that make Obama a communist?

[ETL]

Here's some more annoying, meaningless, irreverent "spam" to irritate you...

Van Jones links "Green Movement" to revolutionary communist movement!

See "Goal is complete revolution" below...

VAN JONES (Obama's former 'Green Jobs Czar'):

YouTube:
"Valerie Jarrett, Senior Advisor to President Obama, speaks [lovingly] about Green Job Czar, Van Jones, at the Netroots Convention on August 12, 2009. Then Van Jones speaks about [a COMMUNIST] transforming [of] the whole society."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TnDxzvc0OXk&feature=related
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"Jones was the leader and founder of a radical group, the communist revolutionary organization Standing Together to Organize a Revolutionary Movement, or STORM. That group, together with Jones' Elle Baker Center for Human Rights, led a vigil Sept. 12, 2001, at Snow Park in Oakland, Calif.

STORM's official manifesto, titled, "Reclaiming Revolution," surfaced on the Internet."--via TheObamaFile
http://www.leftspot.com/blog/files/docs/STORMSummation.pdf
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VAN JONES SHOCK ADMISSION [in his own words]: "Goal is Complete Revolution"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fh4Z0V0zNQg
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Here is the transcript of the above YouTube video:

“Right after Rosa Parks refused to give up her seat if the civil rights leaders had jumped out and said OK now we want reparations for Slavery, we want redistribution of all the wealth, and we want to legalize mixed marriages. If we’d come out with a maximum program the very next day, they’d been laughed at. Instead they came out with a very minimum. “We just want to integrate these busses…”

But, inside that minimum demand was a very radical kernel that eventually meant that from 1964 to 1968 complete revolution was on the table for this country.

And, I think that this green movement has to pursue those same steps and stages.

Right now we say we want to move from suicidal gray capitalism to something eco-capitalism where at least we’re not fast-tracking the destruction of the whole planet. Will that be enough? No, it won’t be enough. We want to go beyond the systems of exploitation and oppression all together. But, that’s a process and I think that’s what’s great about the movement that is beginning to emerge is that the CRISIS is so severe in terms of joblessness, violence and now ecological threats that people are willing to be both pragmatic and visionary.

So the green economy will start off as a small subset and we are going to push it and push it and push it until it becomes the engine for transforming the whole society.

SOURCE for this transcript (it matches the video):
http://ironicsurrealism.blogivists.com/2009/09/02/van-jones-obamas-green-czar-%E2%80%98green-jobs%E2%80%99-goal-is-%E2%80%98complete-revolution%E2%80%99-away-from-%E2%80%98gray-capitalism%E2%80%99/
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Here's the original source for the Van Jones quote about the time he spent in jail following the Rodney King/LA riots (Jones was arrested in "peaceful" protests in San Fran). It was in a 2005 interview he did with East Bay Express. They of course (what else?) claim he "renounced his rowdy Black Nationalist ways" since then (yet he's calling for "complete revolution" in Aug 2009! ...see above):

But in jail, he said, "I met all these young radical people of color -- I mean really radical, communists and anarchists. And it was, like, 'This is what I need to be a part of.'" Although he already had a plane ticket, he decided to stay in San Francisco. "I spent the next ten years of my life working with a lot of those people I met in jail, trying to be a revolutionary." In the months that followed, he let go of any lingering thoughts that he might fit in with the status quo. "I was a rowdy nationalist on April 28th, and then the verdicts came down on April 29th," he said. "By August, I was a communist."

http://www.eastbayexpress.com/gyrobase/the-new-face-of-environmentalism/Content?oid=1079539&showFullText=true
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The 1992 LA/Rodney King riots were instigated by the Revolutionary Communist Party...

From David Horowitz's FrontpageMag.com /DiscoverTheNetworks.org:

"Throughout its history, one of RCP's [Revolutionary Communist Party] principal objectives has been to foment civil unrest in the United States. The most notable example of such efforts occurred on April 29, 1992, when RCP members looted and trashed the downtown and government districts of Los Angeles, triggering the infamous Rodney King riots. During the days immediately preceding the violence, RCP -- which maintained close ties to the L.A. gangs known as the Crips and the Bloods -- had circulated throughout South Central Los Angeles a leaflet featuring a statement by RCP National Spokesman Carl Dix, titled 'It's Right To Rebel' -- a quote popularized by Mao Zedong.

Encouraged by Dix, RCP activists helped lead the riots that would leave 58 people dead, more than 2,300 people injured, some 5,300 buildings burned, and $1 billion in property damaged or destroyed. On the ten-year anniversary of the rioting, RCP member Joseph Veale fondly recalled the violence as 'the most beautiful, the most heroic civil action in the history of the United States.'"
http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/groupProfile.asp?grpid=6197

[Yardstick]

I’m aware of all that.

As for Van Jones — yep he was a self professed communist. And he was indefensible so he got bounced when Glen Beck put the spotlight on him.

My question is, what exactly did he do as the “Green Jobs” czar that would have been any different from any other liberal lefty who filled the spot? I also wonder to what extent Jones was really an ideological communist and not just a hyperactive liberal who liked the communist brand because it seemed exciting. The quotes I’ve read of his seem zealous but superficial.

[ETL]

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[ETL]

Last one before I have to leave for work...

20+ YEARS!

The Real Story Behind Rev. Wright's Controversial Black Liberation Theology Doctrine
Monday , May 5, 2008
FoxNews/Hannity's America
[special Friday night edition--original airdate May 2, 2008]

(some key excerpts)

["(Jose) Diaz-Balart is the son of Rafael Diaz-Balart y Guitierrez (a former Cuban politician). He has three bothers, Rafael Diaz-Balart (a banker), Mario Diaz-Balart (a US Congressman) and Lincoln Diaz-Balart (also a US Congressman). His aunt, Mirta Diaz-Balart, was Fidel Castro's first wife."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jose_Diaz-Balart]

JOSE DIAZ-BALART, TELEMUNDO NETWORK: "Liberation theology in Nicaragua in the mid-1980's was a pro-Sandinista, pro-Marxist, anti-U.S., anti-Catholic Church movement. That's it. No ifs, ands, or buts. His church apparently supported, in the mid-'80s in Nicaragua, groups that supported the Sandinista dictatorships and that were opposed to the Contras whose reason for being was calling for elections. That's all I know. I was there.

I saw the churches in Nicaragua that he spoke of, and the churches were churches that talked about the need for violent revolution and I remember clearly one of the major churches in Managua where the Jesus Christ on the altar was not Jesus Christ, he was a Sandinista soldier, and the priests talked about the corruption of the West, talked about the need for revolution everywhere, and talked about 'the evil empire' which was the United States of America."

REV. BOB SCHENCK, NATIONAL CLERGY COUNCIL: "it's based in Marxism. At the core of his [Wright's] theology is really an anti-Christian understanding of God, and as part of a long history of individuals who actually advocate using violence in overthrowing those they perceive to be oppressing them, even acts of murder have been defended by followers of liberation theology. That's very, very dangerous."

SCHENCK: "I was actually the only person escorted to Dr. Wright. He asked to see me, and I simply welcomed him to Washington, and then I said Dr. Wright, I want to bring you a warning: your embrace of Marxist liberation theology. It is contrary to the Gospel, and you need, sir, to abandon it. And at that he dropped the handshake and made it clear that he was not in the mood to dialogue on that point."

Source: The Real Story Behind Rev. Wright's Controversial Black Liberation Theology Doctrine:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,354158,00.html

[Yardstick]

Not sure why you think spamming the thread with stuff everyone already knows is a substitute for actually arguing a point.

Anyway, have a wonderful day.

[GreyMountainReagan]

I’m aware of every fact that you’ve spammed this thread with, but I disagree that he’s a Black Liberation revolutionary communist....To believe that is to take things way too far, to a point that is just silly.

Yes, 0bama is a typical screwed up left-liberal but the typical screwed up left liberal agrees with the Black Liberation revolutionary, America sucks, communism is the best crowd.

They really do and 0bama is one of them.

To willfully ignore that is just silly.

[Beckwith]

Dr. Richard L. Rubinstein, Yale fellow, “Distinguished Professor of the Year”, and Harvard Phd, has credentials.

He’s not some guy on a public forum who’s impressed by his own opinions:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8WfSMek-bQ&feature=player_embedded

I’ll believe him. You can take a Dudley.

[samtheman]

So you have no evidence, it's just a belief on your part.

In fact, it's a matter of faith with you that we ignore the only evidence we have -- that he is indeed a communist revolutionary and has been one since college -- and see him as just another "progressive".

And then you accuse the progressives of doublethink.

[Yardstick]

Yeah, nice video. I agree with most of it. Obama is clearly the most radical president we’ve had. He would happily turn us into Denmark if he could. That would be pretty radical, a fundamental transformation, as I said earlier in the thread. But he’s not a Black Liberation communist revolutionary, nor is he a socialist revolutionary.

He is only a revolutionary in the sense that FDR or Reagan were revolutionaries, where he seeks to shift things about as far as things can be shifted within the current political environment. There is nothing he’s doing that liberals haven’t talked about wanting to do for decades.

He really is nothing more than the full expression of fully orthodox liberalism. Skeptical of free markets, skeptical of religion, dislikes Israel, sees America as having a sinful history, favors abortion rights, probably favors gay marriage, probably favors tighter gun control, sees the third world as a victim of American meddling and bullying, loves unions, dislikes the oil industry, sees the Constitution as an outdated impediment to change, and of course loves socialized health care. He’s got the whole list. But there is nothing here that makes him Fidel Castro, or that says he wants to turn us into the USSR. Hillary could probably check off an identical list, as could any other committed liberal.

Given this, do we call all orthodox liberals socialist or communist revolutionaries? And if so, what do we then call actual socialist or communist revolutionaries?

There is good reason to think Obama is a disaster for the country and is hostile to our founding principles and therefore should we should oppose him with every fiber of our being. But we don’t need to use hysterical drama queen language in order to make that point.

[Yardstick]

In fact, it's a matter of faith with you that we ignore the only evidence we have -- that he is indeed a communist revolutionary and has been one since college -- and see him as just another "progressive".

It is ridiculous on its face to call Obama a communist revolutionary.

The most thorough analysis I'm aware of of Obama's ideological past and present is by Stanley Kurtz in his new book Radical in Chief. Kurtz concludes that Obama is a socialist, and I agree with that. But there are a bunch of liberals who are socialists; we all know that. It's basically a nod nod wink wink kind of thing. In Europe the socialists are open about being socialists. Tony Blair was a socialist who attended and spoke at the meetings of the Socialist International. But does that make him a communist revolutionary? No, and it would be ridiculous to make that claim. It's a similar thing with Obama.

[samtheman]

So you see no difference between Tony Blair and Barak Obama.

[Yardstick]

What difference do you see that makes Barack Obama a communist revolutionary?