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Posted on 10/04/2011 7:35:01 AM PDT by bullypulpit
Roads are good. People lose their property to roads. It is one of the few clearly constitutional government functions, road-building. And it is exactly what emminent domain was created for — for government to purchase land from private owners when government had a legitimate government function (road-building).
Everybody complains when government builds a road through their property. Big road projects take big chunks of land.
They didn’t end up building the road, because opposition was so great. It’s nice that government responds to the wishes of people, even if the road would have been a boon to the economy.
I’m hoping we build more roads, or more lanes on roads, here in Virginia. And when we do, people will complain about their houses and land being taken for the roads. But that’s just how it goes.
Oh, I forgot — “EVIL TRI-NATIONAL CONSPIRACY!!!!”
Because we all know that nobody wants to actually ship goods from Mexico into the United States. We want to buy all OUR stuff from China.
You do know that he actually did NOT get rich while he was Governor, that his net worth is barely a million dollars as a 60-year-old who has worked and saved all his life?
And that there is no evidence of any deals made in his time as Governor to get campaign contributions or private gifts or payoffs in exchange for government actions?
I'm guessing you don't care if there is any evidence, the charge just sounds so good to you.
I'm sorry but I must have missed your link to your alleged evidence.
Other then those who have been told the TTC is dead you mean?
No, I mean anyone on this thread at all. No one said it was a myth. There were two links posted showing that the TX legislature had killed the idea.
I am not aware the state had plans to do what you say, but is the argument really that they have this inexpensive farmland, and the state is going to buy it from them, but they are upset because the state is taking more than it needs, and if they could keep it, the state road would have made their other land a lot more valuable, so they’d make tons of money?
Interesting. If the state WASN’T trying to get the land, because all the landowners lobbied to get the state to buy less, and donated money to politicians who would reduce the size of the purchase to say 400 feet, wouldn’t we still be hearing about “crony capitalism”, in this case homeowners buying off politicians in order to gain wealth through the state building a road that increased their property values?
1000 feet wide seems like a large corridor. Of course, it could be that buying a large corridor makes it easier to design the road. You could survey and design precisely where the road is going BEFORE you buy all the land, but then the land prices shoot up through speculation. Buying MORE land may have been a lot cheaper.
“The problem is that land adjacent to the road would be very valuable and the state would sell it off, thereby depriving the owners of the income they could get by selling it themselves.”
Incorrect
I own land very close to where the TTC was supposed to go. I spent two years listening to my neighbors complaining that we should do something to get the TTC moved ONTO our land. Then I spent two years listening to the same neighbors complaining that we should do something to make sure it is NOT on our land. What happened?
Very simple. In the beginning everyone thought this would be just like every other highway in Texas. They would build access roads along side the highway. Any land you owned along the access road would be gold. Car dealers, truck stops, department stores, etc would all come knocking. Of course all of this build-up then chokes the highway and makes enlarging it very expensive.
When the announcement was made that the TTC would NOT have access roads, suddenly nobody wanted it. Now whatever land you had remaining would just be next to a highway, with no way to cash in.
Propose the TTC 2, but this time include access roads, and watch the difference in reaction.
Also, IH 10 between San Antonio and Houston is only two lanes, and at many hours of the day becomes a parking lot. Not as bad as IH35 in Austin, but not good either.
If any fed money is involved then you can not buy ROW before you have plans. 1200 foot is a huge ROW and is most likely wasted money or a way for someone to get rich.
Did you really think that we here on FR are going to simply and naively sit back and take the propaganda of Perry supporters without checking facts?
March 30, 2011
“The TTC was proclaimed dead two years ago by nearly every public official; however, Texas Governor Rick Perry declared at the time, "We'll build it, but we'll just change the name." Now the Corridor, which has always been the cynosure of Perry's transportation policy, is getting a new push.
State Representative Larry Phillips has introduced H.B. 3789, one of several related bills affecting infrastructure — a reincarnation of the old legislation that enabled the Corridor projects, but without the old name.
http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/politics/6905-trans-texas-corridor-here-we-go-again
How sleazy is that to reissue the thing under a different name to try to scam the public. Looks to me like Obama’s “under the radar” gun control measures.
The article you gave a URL to is from March '11 and talks about what happened two years prior. The link above is about legislation that passed last month, Sep. '11.
How sleazy is it to try and confuse things with old outdated news?
You mean you want a link to the “no evidence” that you have for your claims?
That’s kind of a hard thing to do. If you charge the someone took a bribe, I’m supposed to give you a LINK to show there wasn’t a bribe?
Thanks for the info.
Confuse? I’m confused that the legislature had to fight Perry to stop the TTC? Did you get the picture that Perry WANTED the TTC? In that same site you gave me is information that the legislature also passed the eminent domain protections they wanted that Perry had vetoed last time.
The point is NOT what the legislature does. That’s Texas business. It IS what Perry fights for. Perry WANTS the TTC and promised to fight FOR it.
Eminent domain for road building has been a legitimate reason to take property since the founding of the nation. To ban its use entirely sounds as extreme as using it to build shopping centers. You don’t seriously support the complete eradication of ED do you?
The way it’s used today? YES I do. Eminent domain has been used as theft more then it has for public good. Untill we have a government in place that people can actually trust “we the people” need to take back all control.
“Thanks for the info.”
Funny story along those same lines.
About 20 years ago San Antonio announced they were going to build an east/west highway from IH 35 to the medical center. Of course the insiders knew about this nearly a year before everyone else. They went around quietly buying up property at market or less value. On the east end of things there was a lot of land that had once been farming, and was now in many cases owned by old widows. You can imagine the good deals they got there.
Well when the big official announcement was made, they called it a “Parkway” and annunced there would be no access roads (to this day, very little has built up along it for that reason).
For the next several weeks the city council meetings featured a steady stream of developers in their expensive suits going on and on about “the publics need for access” etc, etc. Don’t know why, but I took a perverse enjoyment in it. After years of insider profits, the insiders were finally taking it where they deserved it!
That's not what I asked you is it?
And you thought the answer would change if I hadn’t included the reasoning for the answer?
I had that reasoning in my question so there was no need to put it in your answer. Your answer was nothing but a dodge. I’m tired of your word-twisting games. You seem to be stuck on Extra-Stupid and that’s a waste of my time.
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