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Soft Bone Tissue in a Triceratops Fossil
Proslogion ^ | 3-27-2013 | Dr. Jay L. Wile

Posted on 04/02/2013 10:13:02 AM PDT by fishtank

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1 posted on 04/02/2013 10:13:02 AM PDT by fishtank
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To: fishtank

I bumped into a second article.


2 posted on 04/02/2013 10:13:16 AM PDT by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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To: fishtank

hmmm, how soon can I purchase a triceratops?


3 posted on 04/02/2013 10:23:51 AM PDT by NativeSon ( Grease the floor with Crisco when I dance the Disco)
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To: fishtank

So....can it be cloned or not?


4 posted on 04/02/2013 10:24:32 AM PDT by Fawn (In a World of Information, Ignorance is a Choice.)
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To: NativeSon

“how soon can I purchase a triceratops?”

Yeah! I’d bet one grazing in my front yard would keep the teenagers off my grass!


5 posted on 04/02/2013 10:28:14 AM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra
Yeah! I’d bet one grazing in my front yard would keep the teenagers off my grass!

I'm mounting a Dillon Aero minigun on each horn, with a custom made ammo saddle bags on its sides...about where my stirrups go.

Of course there will be a friggin' green laser on his head....

....now if I could just find some ammo.....

6 posted on 04/02/2013 10:32:19 AM PDT by DCBryan1
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To: fishtank

“It is hard enough to understand how a bone cell can exist like that for thousands of years. The idea that it has lasted for 65 million years simply boggles the mind.”

That statement is an example of scientific ignorance. Original cellular matter can be preserved almost indefinitely within an environment conducive to the inhibition of hydrolysis, biological consumption, and other destructivee processees. Although the opportunities for such preservation may be relatively rare, there is no physical reason why such preservation cannot occur when the environmental conditions are suitable.

from the theological point of view it can be observed such long preservation timees are possible due to the way uin which the Creator designed everything to operate.


7 posted on 04/02/2013 10:54:24 AM PDT by WhiskeyX
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To: fishtank

Can you name any Creationists who aren’t Christian, Orthodox Jewish, or Muslim?


8 posted on 04/02/2013 11:03:11 AM PDT by DManA
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To: DManA

Only if they are all walking into a bar at the same time.

haha.

Honestly, I have no idea.


9 posted on 04/02/2013 11:24:16 AM PDT by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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To: WhiskeyX
That statement is an example of scientific ignorance.

LOL!


10 posted on 04/02/2013 12:09:41 PM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: fishtank

Is posting this a Hate Crime against the religion of Evolution?


11 posted on 04/02/2013 12:10:20 PM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: Fawn

No, it can’t be cloned.

What they’re finding isn’t DNA, but unfossilized protein or protein fragments. For example, when they say they found red blood cells, that’s not usually what they observed. They found traces of heme, the protein that’s part of hemoglobin, still in the fossil.

DNA is remarkably fragile. Unless it’s specially preserved for future testing, there’s usually too much degradation and contamination for it to be useful for very long.


12 posted on 04/02/2013 12:11:53 PM PDT by Velvet_Jones
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To: DManA; fishtank
Can you name any Creationists who aren’t Christian, Orthodox Jewish, or Muslim?

Every atheist is a Creationist in his own mind, because he had to have designed and created himself; however, lacking any rationale for having done so as a matter of first causation, he doesn't have the slightest idea why he did it, he is too stupid to remember how he did it, and every attempt he has ever made to repeat "scientifically" what he thinks he might have done has failed miserably.

Remarkably, after all that he still just looks in the mirror, and worships what he sees.

FReegards!


13 posted on 04/02/2013 12:19:16 PM PDT by Agamemnon (Darwinism is the glue that holds liberalism together)
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To: DManA
Can you name any Creationists who aren’t Christian, Orthodox Jewish, or Muslim?

There's a bunch of Hindu creationists, whose beliefs are based on the Vedic texts being literally true.

14 posted on 04/02/2013 12:25:10 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: WhiskeyX

I don’t think anyone said it was impossible. The extraordinary unlikelihood (is that a word?) of such a necessary set of circumstances does, indeed, boggle the mind; mine anyway.


15 posted on 04/02/2013 12:32:51 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (Don't fire until you see the blue of their helmets)
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To: Velvet_Jones

That’s a shame...but, thanks for the interesting info...


16 posted on 04/02/2013 12:56:54 PM PDT by Fawn (In a World of Information, Ignorance is a Choice.)
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To: DManA

I got this response to a similar question on another site:

I take it you mean professional scientists/philosophers. A very famous one was Cambridge astronomer Sir Fred Hoyle. Hoyle - whom many (most?) astronomers agree should really have been awarded the Nobel Prize - rejected an evolutionary origin for life given the huge statistical and scientific odds against it, but he didn’t want to give up atheism, so he came up with the theory of “directed panspermia”, which posits that life on Earth was seeded by some alien life/civilization that lives somewhere else in the universe. (Of course this begs the question of how that lifeform evolved, but anyway... ;-> )

A professional philosopher who was a non-theist but who was also scathingly critical of Darwinism - because of its many illogical and contra-evidentiary assertions - was the late Dr. David Stove, author of the brilliant book Darwinian Fairytales. You can read some excerpts of his book at these links: So You Think You Are a Darwinian? and A New Religion. All sample articles, including some responses to Dr. Stove, are at the Royal institute of Philosophy site.

If by “creationist” you mean “biblical creationist” then “creationist, but is not a Christian” seems to me to be unlikely on the face of it as a final result, both logically and given the debates and information out there these days. I.e., there are all the other biblical claims one would be under intellectual pressure to accept once one accepted the Genesis creation account.

So I think in the long-run most who accept Genesis, as opposed to just religion-neutral Intelligent Design - would most likely end up becoming full-fledged Christians. But I’m sure there are a goodly number who, like C.S. Lewis at one point and possibly like Prof. Flew, are currently ‘on the way’ to full belief but at this time have only gotten as far as deism or theism.

Thanks for the interesting question!

Cheers!
GKC_fan

http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/showthread.php?107853-Darwinists-converting-to-creationism-who-aren-t-christian

Interesting.


17 posted on 04/02/2013 1:22:48 PM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: ilovesarah2012
I am a "full fledged” Christian. I don't currently accept the literal interpretation of Genesis. In fact the whole topic way way off the topic of the central issues of the Gospel.
18 posted on 04/02/2013 2:27:07 PM PDT by DManA
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To: DManA

Why would God want Genesis written if it was not true? Not that I expect you to be able to think like God, just want your opinion.


19 posted on 04/02/2013 2:39:45 PM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: ilovesarah2012

I didn’t say it wasn’t true. I accept God’s Truth is subtle and exists on many levels. That’s why people can read their Bibles their whole life and still find new things in it.

If there was one literal meaning you could read it once and put in the shelf and not need to go back to it again.

It’s not a history book, not a science book, it is God’s multipurpose tool.


20 posted on 04/02/2013 2:51:44 PM PDT by DManA
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