George Alexander Louis

7-24-13 | Me

[Oztrich Boy]

Not a big fan of history are you? Hanover is the last name. They are German.

Hanover never the name. Bless your heart.

[nickcarraway]

Hanover

Saxe-Coburg

[agere_contra]

After some early culture clashes the Queen got on very well with Thatcher. She also attended her funeral.

[Liberty Valance]

Henry the VIII

[agere_contra]

You care enough to post about how you don't care?

I don't know why you're so excised that the institution that Britain uses to separate State and Government has just secured another generation's worth of life.

Your first family - on the other hand- wields the brutal power of Diocletian and spends more than the cost of a hundred Royal families on just its holidays.

I think that - very soon - you're going to be fighting another war to correct that.

[AnAmericanMother]

The distinction you're not making is that between a surname (that most people have) and a dynastic or "house" name that is unique to royalty. The "house" name may or may not correspond to the surname, which generally isn't used.

Here's how it went down:

Victoria was the last member of the House of Hanover - descended by her father from George I, Elector of Hanover. But her surname was Guelph - never used. She married Prince Albert, of the House of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha, and her son Edward VII was the first reigning monarch of that house. Their surname was Wettin - never used.

This became an issue when George V decided to change his name because of anti-German feeling during WWI. They weren't sure about the surname Wettin (it might have been Wipper) but they did change both the surname and the name of the house to Windsor.

There matters remained until Elizabeth II married, but she took the bull by the horns in 1960 and decreed that everybody's surname would be "Mountbatten-Windsor" but the house name would remain "Windsor".

Hope that helps clear things up.

[DrewsMum]

Actually, I am a HUGE fan of history, which is why I know what I am talking about.

Windsor is the last name. More specific Mountbatten-Windsor.

I’m not sure how to address your “Hanover” claim, except just no. That is in no way correct.

Yes they have a German ancestry and the old name (I can not NOT remember it) had a specific meaning and King George translated to the English version of that name with the same meaning... and changed the whole family name...during or after WWI?? I will have to double check that, sorry, I don’t have access to search it at the moment.

Next time, know your stuff before being so arrogant about something. :0)

[DrewsMum]

They do not speak of Prince Charles (or Diana) with the surnames because the title HRH basically means they don’t HAVE to have one....so it isn’t generally used. But it is STILL their official Royal name.

Windsor came about during WWI...or right after?? King George bestowed it upon his family and lineage. It is a translation of his German name basically. Because of the war and Germany being the enemy, he decided to change the name.

Spencer is Diana’s Maiden name.

[DrewsMum]

Yes, this is pre-marriage and Prince Charles was not required to have a surname (with the title HRH) and Diana was still “Lady” and maiden name Spencer.

[DrewsMum]

And I wasn’t trying to be rude when I said you weren’t a fan of history were you.... I was laughing because you seemed frustrated over the whole royal names shenanigans... which are quite silly to us plain common U.S. folk.

and you just a fussing about it...which is why I explained it....or at least tried to....

FR is a bastion of knowledge on history also... one can learn a lot here... I certainly have.

[nickcarraway]

You might want to check on that. There was no, "House of Windsor," before 1917. George V made it up in 1917, because Germans were very unpopular in England after they started bombing London, and he saw what happened to the Romanovs in Russia that year. (They were related through Queen Victoria). He wanted an anglicize the name, so "Windsor," is kind of the English version of, "Carlos Danger."

Now, therefore, We, out of Our Royal Will and Authority, do hereby declare and announce that as from the date of this Our Royal Proclamation Our House and Family shall be styled and known as the House and Family of Windsor, and that all the descendants in the male line of Our said Grandmother Queen Victoria who are subjects of these Realms, other than female descendants who may marry or may have married, shall bear the said Name of Windsor....[2]

[kabumpo]

I know she attended the funeral. Re state occasions, the Queen goes where she is told to go.
The Queen is old-fashioned and a traditionalist, but not a conservative.

[libstripper]

There was also Canute, the only Danish king of England. Since he was a great Dane, I named my Great Dane after him. After all Great Danes are such noble dogs that they need appropriately noble or literary names.

[DrewsMum]

Hilarious. What exactly did I say that was any different than what you said here? I told you exactly that.

gee....