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Dem proposes taxing drivers by the mile
The Hill ^ | December 4, 2013 | Pete Kasperowicz

Posted on 12/04/2013 9:38:08 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife

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To: Cincinatus' Wife

How about stop spending Highway funds on trolleys, trains and bicycle paths?

http://blog.heritage.org/2013/04/24/time-to-rethink-federal-highway-trust-fund-spending/


21 posted on 12/04/2013 9:51:08 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts
Black Boxes with GPS will soon control your vehicle.

Only up until the time that I locate it and disable it.

That will only trigger an immediate IRS audit.

22 posted on 12/04/2013 9:51:46 AM PST by TexasCajun
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To: sport

Yes—that, too.

And they try to say that the high price of oil is due to those greedy oil men who are trying to get rich.


23 posted on 12/04/2013 9:52:15 AM PST by basil (2ASisters.org)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

You got a small business 4 or 5 trucks on the road barely making it in this crappy economy and they double the road tax and you’re serving a rural area with much travel involved, what could go wrong? Death to small businesses by a thousand cuts.

Waiting on the carbon dioxide tax on our exhalations, if that is a word. Since they don’t dedicate the road tax to strictly roads name should be changed to slush fund tax. Just poking the caged bear with a sharp stick once more.


24 posted on 12/04/2013 9:52:22 AM PST by Foundahardheadedwoman (God don't have a statute of limitations)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Okay, so what we now need is a “personal” unit that reads the mileage and resets the counter in the auto-based unit.


25 posted on 12/04/2013 9:52:53 AM PST by SgtHooper (If at first you don't succeed, skydiving is not for you.)
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To: Vendome
The only way that works is if you put a gps in someone’s vehicle and can accurately detect the miles driven within the state. Otherwise, you go with a national tax and arbitrage the miles.

This is talking about replacing the federal tax, not the additional state tax.

26 posted on 12/04/2013 9:53:02 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: svcw

And heavier/older vehicles that get poor gas mileage pay more. It’s fair, and Dems just can’t have that.


27 posted on 12/04/2013 9:54:35 AM PST by Cyber Liberty (H.L. Mencken: "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.")
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To: Foundahardheadedwoman
You got a small business 4 or 5 trucks on the road barely making it in this crappy economy and they double the road tax and you’re serving a rural area with much travel involved, what could go wrong? Death to small businesses by a thousand cuts.

Not to mention making it more expensive to live in rural areas, pushing more folks to the cities.

28 posted on 12/04/2013 9:55:47 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

This is the little weasel that wears that bicylcle pin all the time & creepy bowties. He wants to get rid of all cars, believes we should all ride bikes & high speed rail.
Reminds me PeeWee Herman :)


29 posted on 12/04/2013 9:55:49 AM PST by rainee (Her)
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To: Navy Patriot

Agenda 21.


30 posted on 12/04/2013 9:56:42 AM PST by Black Agnes
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To: svcw

He’s talking about an increase in the gas tax right now - but - hr’s also talking about instituting a tax that is directly linked to “miles driven”.

That would turn the entire United States into a turnpike system (even though it wouldn’t be billed through toll booths).


31 posted on 12/04/2013 9:56:48 AM PST by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: svcw

Yes and no.

The issue is that a Chevy Suburban will pay a higher per mile rate than a Prius will. With the rise of high MPG vehicles, a lot less money is now flowing into the various highway spending buckets funded from fast taxes.

A VMT is a flat tax where everyone pays the same per mile rate. I kinda support the idea, under the scenario where it’s a direct replacement for, not a supplement to, the gas tax. And the monitoring isn’t done on a real-time (black box in the car) basis.


32 posted on 12/04/2013 9:57:35 AM PST by tanknetter
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To: TexasCajun

Well ... pretty soon your car will be driving itself ... :-) ...


33 posted on 12/04/2013 9:57:47 AM PST by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Navy Patriot

Right. Drive the serfs into the cities where they are easier to control.


34 posted on 12/04/2013 9:59:31 AM PST by Foundahardheadedwoman (God don't have a statute of limitations)
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To: basil
Do these fools stay awake nights trying to figure out more ways to get and spend our money?

Apparently they do exactly that.

On I-94 between Chicago and Detroit the feds are starting a pilot program that will put sensors in truck parking spaces at rest stops. The sensors will communicate with signs that tell truck drivers how many parking spaces are available.

Truck drivers I know are already calling it a pointless waste of money because when they're out of service hours, they have to park whether there are available spaces or not. Any experienced truck driver knows approximately where he'll be in 10 hours and when he'll park so the signs will just be ignored.
35 posted on 12/04/2013 10:00:52 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts

Well ... I’m sure that will be illegal just like disabling air bags and removing seat belts are illegal. There will probably be a signal that it transmits (to readers placed around the city) which will let the authorities know that it’s disconnected - at which point they’ll snap a picture (just like the red light cameras or also when people drive through toll booths without paying) and send the owner of the car a ticket and fine for doing so.


36 posted on 12/04/2013 10:02:28 AM PST by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
The CBO called the VMT system a "practical option" for boosting revenue.

They don't even pretend that it is a way of more fairly distrubuting the tax burden so that electric car owners will pay their share of the road. It is primarily for boosting revenue.

Also in 2011, the Department of Transportation wrote a legislative proposal for a VMT system. That bill called for the creation of a public affairs office to help sell the idea to American drivers — it said the office would "increase public awareness regarding the need for an alternative funding source for surface transportation programs and provide information on possible approaches."

The Department of Transportation's own propaganda office. Nice! < /s>

If they had a way of doing it without GPS tracking, such as a check on mileage by the Bureau of Motor Vehicles when you register your car annually, I wouldn't have a real problem with a mileage tax as a dollar for dollar substitute for the gasoline tax. It would be nice to hit a Volt driver... with the tax. But they see this as a method of raising the tax and having a black box permanently track your driving. The next step would be turning every road into a toll road with different fees to control when you are allowed to drive.

Purify the gasoline tax (remove funding from every bike path, bus and urban rail from it), return the taxing authority and road building responsibility to the states so that Hawaiians don't pay for Boston's Big Dig and Floridians don't pay for Alaska's bridge to nowhere. Then we can talk about whether a non-GPS mileage tax or a gasoline tax is the best way to pay for those roads.

37 posted on 12/04/2013 10:03:31 AM PST by KarlInOhio (Everyone get online for Obamacare on 10/1. Overload the system and crash it hard!)
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To: Star Traveler

Which I will refuse to pay.


38 posted on 12/04/2013 10:08:14 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts ("It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority...")
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To: Baynative
He is also working on how to tax oxygen consumption.

That's the Obamacare tax. You must have it as a condition of... of... existing. And it's a tax. So says the Court.

39 posted on 12/04/2013 10:12:10 AM PST by pgyanke (Republicans get in trouble when not living up to their principles. Democrats... when they do.)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts

LOL ... oil up that bicycle then ... the authorities will have the tow truck drivers on speed dial ... :-) ...

The more draconian version of this ... forget the tow truck drivers, but you better have your bail bondsman on speed dial.


40 posted on 12/04/2013 10:12:16 AM PST by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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