Posted on 10/08/2018 4:47:47 AM PDT by w1n1
I believe that’s what I just said. The parent case for the 30-06 was the 30-03.
.348 WIN was for the model 71, they haven't made that in years. There are aftermarket brands that sell it in 250, 300 and I believe 350 grain, I think for Grizzly or Moose.
Why stop there ?
A 50BMG is the next logical choice.
This is what is great about the AR platform in .223. I can do all sorts of tricks with the uppers and shoot different stuff for different purposes and scenarios. The AR10 is pretty much locked down.
Oh my god, did I just type that ?! If you go back to my original posts about 15 years ago you would see me blasting the AR platform in favor of the wooden fudd guns.
But here I am, allowing myself to open up and experience all options with an open mind and heart.
I like the 308 round. I like that it is more devastating than the 5.56. But the M16 didn’t change the bullet. The bullet changed the M16.
Oh, and Vaq: I see someone on ebay is making wooden furniture for the AR, as I’m sure many people do. That, and seeing the Turnbull TAR10 (One of the most beautiful things I’ve ever seen, and I met Jeri Ryan) I’m starting to think about it.
I need new furniture for my rail-top 2960LE - And I have a scope mounted on the top handle too. I think I may go in that direction. Maybe even with a classic bipod and bayonet mount.
Happy Anniversary!
I like articles that agree with me.
Don't worry - those problems still exist 40 years later. I had two jams requiring remedial action in Iraq during house to house fighting. I have never been so scared in my life. That aside, i regards to 5.56, you have to "carry more of it" because you need to shoot more of it to get the same effects on target.
Aside from my experiences, I have a buddy who blew the gas tube in his M4 in Trashcanistan in the middle of a firefight.
The people who write the BS generally have never had their life truly rest on the weapon and ammo they're carrying.....and found it to come up short.
Wooden furniture? Huzzah! I may have to get some for my (someday) upcoming 6.8 ‘fudd special’ build.
As to the 308, love it. Of course, the same applies for just about anything else that goes bang. Go fig.
“Best” is a meaningless term unless you specify the purpose of the gun. A .308 or a .30-06 will do a lot of things well. That makes either versatile. It is only makes them the best if versatility is your objective. If a person wants a rifle that will be a more than adequate gun for any continental U.S. big-game hunting application, a .308 or .30-06 is a great gun.
Happy Freeperversary.
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The .308 inspires the best even in language skills.
“As to the 308, love it. Of course, the same applies for just about anything else that goes bang. Go fig.”
That’s what I’m sayin’! Things like experiencing the 5.7 round will change your life ! Is it better ?
“Wooden furniture? Huzzah!”
I went into the AR15 just a few years ago. I’m really, really late to that game. Before that I used the Mini-14. I still love the mini-14, but customization wasn’t really a thing. I have the nickel finished rigid stock. I could go with the folding stock. I could buy more mags. A magnifying scope. That was “customization”.
When I got the AR I did the same thing that everyone does.. go nuts with the tacticool toys. When that passed, now I am moving away from the rail-mounted stuff to a more refined, simpler setup. I take a step back and realize that I can get this in wood now. The tacti-cool toy buying phase has passed.
high quality scope, a grip that makes me more stable. An option for a high quality bipod. things like the lights, AFG, magwell grips, etc they didn’t add anything to my shooting performance.
But luckily guns are cheap and small and I can own as many as I want. So I moved the tacticool to a dedicated tacticool AR. Owning 2 Minis never really made sense to anyone, but owning several ARs is part of the deal.
I’ll kill ya further with my -06 just cause I been practicin’ on squirrels ‘un such.
A few years ago, a friend’s father died. He was finally taken with Dementia.
But about 25 years ago, he would talk and talk about his work on the M16 redesigns. He was one of a few engineers challenged by Colt to redesign during the Vietnam war.
he’s one of the reasons I didn’t like that gun.
The clickbait in the last sentence is there, as always.
An awful lot of opinion contained in this article.
Where to begin-
-Actually, all FMJ/non frangible bullets begin to yaw immediately upon entering a medium other than air. Twist rate is a non issue with this fact. You’d have to have a twist rate of 1/1000000 or so to stabilize any FMJ in flesh. So, 556, 762N, 50 cal etc, given enough flesh will tumble. The 556 FMJs tend to break apart at the cannelure at velocities above 2400 fps ( 120-150m for 0 inch bbls, 90-100m for 14.5 inch carbines etc) and create tremendous wound effects. The 762 N round seldom does so, but rather tumbles maybe a few rotations and exits tail first. So do 556s at lower velocities. The yaw/tumbling effect causes larger than caliber permanent wound cavities as well.
The 762 N 147 grn M80 ball travels about 5 inches or so in flesh ( called the wound “neck”) before it yaws, the 62 grn 556 M855, about 2-3 inches. Think of your torso as the target, 5 inches is about halfway through the frontal chest, 2 inches is just under the ribs..... Would you prefer a 30 cal hole through your heart or a wide ripping tumbling .99inches of 556? Yeah, me too, neither, but since both penetrate Level 3A vest with aplomb, and still have enough to destroy the internals of a threat, and the 556 is so very easy to shoot follow ups, the win in most militaries and LE circles goes to the 556. Now, for special purposes, maybe the larger calibers get the nod ( many LEOs are using precision rifles in 223/556 and 6mm calibers these days as precision shooting at civilians is usually rare and mostly relegated to city block or so distances, where the risk of larger calibers are considered too much.
You do realize that modern US “ball ammo is not the same as your or your daddies ball ammo? Refer to the M855A1 and the M80A1 rounds- both are reverse monometal gilding mental jackets” with a forward insert of hardened steel penetrator- think Nosler E-tip with a the tip being steel. These round do really awesome things upon impact with armor and unarmored targets. YeHaw!
What about US Military sniping? The 762N is for the most part not used much any longer - the 300 Win Mag (M2010 SWS in the Army), the 338 Lapua and the boutique 416s and 50s pretty much take over.
The 762N shines in the GPMG arena still though, it provides base of fire for the squad and platoon for infantry fire and maneuver and is eminently well suited for that role, with the 556 M49 and similar LMGs filling the continuous fire void in the fire teams.
Anyways, opinions are fine, as long as one does not decide that they are facts.
A 556 rifle with either FMJ or more efficient BTHPs do very well indeed on the battlefields of today. The MK262, and similar improved rounds show this very well.
Last year at Camp Perry , a US Army Marksmanship Team member shot M855A1 rounds from a NM AR15A4 across the course and placed very well- with “ball” ammo. There are lots of reports on the web to satisfy anyone’s curiosity.
So much for that aspect.
.308 / 7.62x51
I know what it will and won’t do courtesy of Uncle Sam and a wide range of experiences with many different 7.62 belt and magazine fed weapons over 27 years. So much fun!
That being said, it has been my go-to caliber for many applications outside the military for 2+ decades.
It’s easy to shoot, offers a wide range of reloading options, inherently accurate, inexpensive, and 100% effective when I do my part.
.30-03 was an aberration. An experiment. Like the 30-40 Krag they decided to cram a 220 grain bullet in it. “ Let’s make it a rainbow trajectory cartridge like the .45-70” (Which I love and reload for) said the civil war generals. They could have just kept the .30-03 name. Same cartridge/basic capacity/shoulder angle.
I personally don’t consider it a parent cartridge. I consider it the same cartridge improved only slightly. But that’s just semantics. So yeah. It’s the parent. The parent was never used in anger to the best of my knowledge.
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