Posted on 10/08/2018 4:47:47 AM PDT by w1n1
Oh. I know how to puss off gun grabbers. Unfortunately there was that canoe accident.
.358!winchester. This cartridge came over 30 years later than the .35 Whelen which is based on the .30-06 Springfield. The relationship in performance between the .358 Win and the .35 Whelen is similar to that between the .308 Win and the .30-06.[1] It created a round more powerful than the .35 Remington and .348 Winchester.
I love the 71 Winchester. It was the rebirth of the 1886 Winchester slightly modified
Yeah. Tricks. Slight of hand. Cool.
Whatever floats your boat. I would not have a problem owning any of which you write.
What I like. My firearm ‘porn’ if you will was made in the 19th and early/Middle 20th Centuries. Not the ideal for modern war but would kill just as dead. Just to bulky and heavy for today.
I pity the intruded that forces me to retreat to my Hawken .54cal with 475gn maxi-ball and 100gr of Pyrodex behind it. Its never taken more than one cap and for just a split second he will probably wish I had shot him with just about any other gun on the planet.
I was truly excited when “The second firearm renaissance” occured after the Clinton ban sundown. I lived in CT so it never actually sun-downed, but still I saw some real developments.
The golden age of Ammunition, with all sorts of trickery in hollowpoints. I actually own .357 rounds, hollowpoint 180 gr that blow my mind. I couldn’t imagine this stuff in the 90s.
Then the Ammunition golden age ended with that stupid frangible pistol ammo, and the Renaissance ended ... well, was utterly DESTROYED by the Remington R51. I thought everyone learned their lesson from the Vector (Which I thought was neat, honestly.)
I’m particularly fond of Warsaw Pact era firearms. Machines that were more than the sum of their parts. I had a Makarov, EG markings and furniture that was really, really neat. I had to sell it and I kick myself everyday. I have fliers hanging in my local gun stores looking for it again. I will pay to get that back.
I also had a 38 special S&W M&P from the late 60s. The machining on that gun was breathtaking.
finally, my family heirloom Beretta 84 (late 70s, italian made) truly demonstrates the difference of “Then vs now”. Many people call it a Cheetah, it is not. Operating the two shows the user what government BS does to a firearm.
It looks like the 6.5 Creedmoor may replace both the 5.56 NATO and the 7.62x51 in the military eventually...
It's certainly a better sniper round than the 7.62.
From: https://taskandpurpose.com/special-operations-mk-48-machine-gun/
But it’s worth noting that the new contract with FN comes just a few months after SOCOM officials unveiled plans for a so-called “assault machine gun” chambered in 6.5mm Creedmoor, a smaller cartridge than the standard 7.62mm ammo that remains more effective for long-range fire support than the 5.56mm M249 SAW ammo. Here are the details of SOCOM’s new intermediate caliber ammo, per The War Zone:It seems to me a semi-auto only 6.5 Creedmoor battle rifle would be a fine alternative to the M-4 in almost every situation.In testing in 2017, special operators shooting rifles modified to fire 6.5mm Creedmoor were twice as likely to hit their targets compared those using control guns in the existing 7.62x51mm NATO cartridge. Special Operations Command also evaluated .260 Remington and collected data on the performance of all three types of ammunition in the FN Mk 20 Mod 0 Sniper Support Rifle, the Knight’s Armament Company M110 Semi-Automatic Sniper System (SASS), and Heckler and Koch M110A1 Compact Semi-Automatic Sniper System (CSASS).
The testing also showed that the 6.5mm versions of the weapons have 40 percent greater range and less recoil than their 7.62mm counterparts. The round was 30 percent less susceptible to wind drift, as well, making it more precise at those distances.
“I’ll kill ya further with my -06 just cause I been practicin’ on squirrels ‘un such.”
For the cost of $2 per trigger squeeze, you send small rodents into other dimensions ?
That’s a hobby I could get behind.
The only other SAAMI standardized cartridges I can think of based on the 30-06 case are the 280 AI and the 338-06.
I wish the 338-06 was more popular, I keep wanting to pick one up...I may have to build a semi-custom. The 338 RCM is an interesting alternative that hasn’t really caught on either.
I may just give up and go with the marginally successful 35 Whelen. In my view, it provides more recoil and worse ballistics, for little gain elsewhere.
Yeah. I do have a TC Renegade, basically a hawken. I use 54 caliber hollow baseball miniballs and it is quite accurate. I have taken 1 doe with it The round is devastating.
It's a less powerful high-velocity round than a .30 Remington AR and a less effective pistol round than a .45ACP.
That about sums it up.
yeah.... I like this place !!
Actually, the 03 was the culmination of US pre modern cartridge development. The Germans and the French perfected the spitzer bullet about the same time as the US was adopting the M1903, the Germans M98 Mauser was the pattern for the US 03 action to the point that the US paid royalties to the Germans....
The 03 220 grn round nose bullet was designed as the Germans were doing the 8mm spitzer thing, and the US realized that we had just been out ranged by about 600 yards ( not that that really means anything in real combat).
So the US developed the 173 spitzer boat tail round, the M1, and the ret is history concerning bullet development in the US.
All but a .280 and the .358 in my safe yet a friend has a .280 that is scary accurate . Interesting information about the 7 or 8mm Mauser round . Thanks
To be honest the parent case was actually the 30-01 “Thick Rim”, once it lost the thick rim it became the 30-03. Then the 30-03 case was shotened a tenth of an inch and a spitzer style bullet was used, it became the 30-06. Had to correct myself! You can resize a 30-06 to 270 or 280 but neither will have the same case length as their factory rounds. They shoulder but you end up with a shorter neck length, not that that’s a real problem.
Need to correct my first response and add the 35 Whelen which is now a factory round. Overall case length is shorter than the 270 and the 280 which use the original length of the 30-03.
Absolutely
As a Swede, may I nominate the 6.5x55 as my favorite ?
A friend has 2 Carl Gustaf 96 mausers in that caliber. Nice.
I just picked up a slightly rare Krag Jorgensen made for the Philippine constabulary by the US government in 30-40 Krag. Nice little full stocked carbine for Filipino use. Shoots well.
Understand, I’m a big fan of the caliber......mine is chambered in a Ruger Number 1A . Yes on the factory round. I really like the caliber. Variant below is stainless, mine is blued.
http://www.gunblast.com/Ruger_No1_35Whelen.htm
As many guns and calibers as I own and have owned I’m surprised I never owned a Whelen. I got into Weatherby’s right after I got out of the Army in 72 and it wasn’t long before I had a 340, from that point I just never looked farther. I do have an old Marlin chambered in 35 Rem that was my go to hog gun and it wasn’t that long ago I bumped my hog gun up to a DPMS 308. I didn’t have the 308 more than about 6 months and sold it, it just wasn’t a very user friendly rifle even with the ten round mag’s. It’s heavy and hung up on everything in the truck. If i got into a fair size sounder there would be brass all over the inside. That’s the only 308 I’ve ever owned and won’t own another, I have calibers that far surpass it’s performance which is mediocre at best compared to other 30 cals out there.
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