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Myth of a "RED" Arizona
self | 11/13/2018 | LS

Posted on 11/13/2018 5:48:12 AM PST by LS

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To: Blue Collar Christian

DJT did everything possible. If he hadn’t come, she’d have lost by 150,000 votes! Or more.


41 posted on 11/13/2018 7:06:12 AM PST by Mr Rogers (Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools)
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To: LS
While Arizona was a Republican state, it came from the Progressive/TR/Taft wing.

The entire contemporary Right Wing was originally progressive (and vice versa).

In the 1690's the eastern seaboard was burning witches. One hundred years later it was conducting the first "red scare" in American history, with people like Rev. Timothy Dwight (President of Yale) and Rev. Jedidiah Morse (Samul F.B.'s father) seeing Illuminati, Freemasons, and "French atheists" under every bed. The ancestors of today's conservatives were derided as atheistic Jacobins who would confiscate and burn all Bibles if their man Jefferson was ever elected. A generation later the Whigs made similar accusations against the Jacksonians.

In the 1890's the eastern seaboard was quaking in its boots over the "Jacobin" William Jennings Bryan, whose creationism threatened the Social Darwinism that was used to justify their beliefs. They even had a bunch of alienists (and psychiatrists, psychologists, and therapists were known at the time) to declare Bryan "insane." Sound familiar?

Then during the New Deal something happened. The Eastern Seaboard discovered in New Deal statism a more useful argument for centralization and elitism than the old Hamiltonian conservatism had been. Suddenly the children of the old "robber barons" of the Gilded Age were Secretly Behind Communism. And the old Reds of the 1920s were now the "Old Right."

As a Hamiltonian myself, drawing these lines gives me no joy. But it's time to admit that the most radical sector of American society is its old aristocracy. They have shifted the Left from supporting industrial workers to upper class causes like environmentalism and homosexuality (which the Old Left called "bourgeois decadence"), the repudiation of Old Left populism (initiative and referendum, recall), and the constant vilification the working class and celebration scabs (ie, "people of color," "immigrants," "refugees," "indigenous pipples").

In my former life as a chrstian, I was very attracted to the Theocratic anarchism of the J-- Witnesses precisely because the old establishment was so radical it was easy to believe they were in cahoots with "Lucifer" from the beginning.

42 posted on 11/13/2018 7:06:20 AM PST by Zionist Conspirator ("Conservatism" without G-d is just another form of Communism.)
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To: LS

Free Republic is a quantum above the other conservative news aggregator boards because of the quality of readers’ comments, but also because of vanities like yours that cover topics that would be otherwise missed.

I moved my family to Phoenix recently, and I am still trying to get the feel for the political climate. Pieces like yours help. I also appreciate that native Arizonans are proud of their being lifelong citizens of the state, but (at least in Phoenix) don’t hold all newcomers in derision.


43 posted on 11/13/2018 7:12:18 AM PST by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics.)
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To: LS

I’m not sure, as usual, Maricopa County, had all legit + legal + alive voters. Can anyone explain the 350K vote swing to Sinema there any way other than massive vote fraud? The DEMs went overboard with their shenanigans this time!


44 posted on 11/13/2018 7:13:46 AM PST by Steven W.
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To: Mr Rogers
Flake fancies himself as an alternative GOP candidate to Trump in 2020.

He thinks the party is more like him than it is like Trump.

He's a flake.

45 posted on 11/13/2018 7:17:35 AM PST by HotHunt
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To: LS

Great outline of the history LS.

I think, like many westerners, Arizonans have an independent streak which is attributed to conservatism but could be libertarian or anarchy biased just as easily. This shows up in attitude toward 2nd Amendment issues being oriented toward individuals and not community militia ideals. Similar issues on private property and resistance to social standards.


46 posted on 11/13/2018 7:23:30 AM PST by KC Burke (If all the world is a stage, I would like to request my lighting be adjusted.)
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To: Mr Rogers

News to Arizona Republic... Whatever Schumer tells Sinema to do, she will do.


47 posted on 11/13/2018 7:23:35 AM PST by OrioleFan (Republicans believe every day is July 4th, Democrats believe every day is April 15th.)
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To: JonPreston; gaijin; bankwalker; SpeedyInTexas; mrs9x; ScottinVA; Mr. Jeeves
People forget Texas was pretty blue through the early 90s. Gov Ann Richards, control of both sides of the legislature, LLoyd Bentsen was senator.

Non-Hispanic whites are already under 50% of the state. Texas historically has done a good job integrating hispanics, who haven't voted like dogmatic leftists. Unfortunately, that is changing.

Texas will go blue soon if the GOP, and we conservatives, can't come up with a better message to hispanics about staying red.

48 posted on 11/13/2018 7:27:40 AM PST by Wayne07
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To: Steven W.

“Can anyone explain the 350K vote swing to Sinema there any way other than massive vote fraud?”

Massive vote fraud that ONLY helped Sinema? That left almost every other statewide race in Republican hands? That defeated “Green Energy” 70-30? That passed a ban on service taxes by 30 points? That passed a Republican measure on campaign financing by 13 points - which will hurt Democrats in all future races in Arizona?

Pretty selective fraud there.


49 posted on 11/13/2018 7:28:28 AM PST by Mr Rogers (Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools)
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To: OrioleFan

“Whatever Schumer tells Sinema to do, she will do.”

Yes...but he will give her a pass on many unimportant votes, and on votes where the GOP will win regardless. Then in 2024, she’ll run in Arizona as a centrist who frequently voted with Republicans. If she is smart - and she ran a smart campaign - she can be the Democrat Senator from Arizona for 30 years.

Meet Ms Manchin!


50 posted on 11/13/2018 7:31:52 AM PST by Mr Rogers (Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools)
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To: SpeedyInTexas

Agreed. I’m guessing there were some protest non-votes by Republicans on Cruz as retribution for his behavior at the RNC convention. (Figuring “Cruz would win handily anyway, lets bring him down a notch”)


51 posted on 11/13/2018 7:34:57 AM PST by Bruiser78
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To: hardspunned

And dumb, old, cucked and communist Illinois white.


52 posted on 11/13/2018 7:36:48 AM PST by riri
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To: Mr Rogers

“Whenever possible, she’ll vote with Republicans in the Senate - on anything not too important to Democrats, or where Republicans are going to win anyways. She wants to become Ms Manchin, so to speak.”

How will she vote on gun control?


53 posted on 11/13/2018 7:36:55 AM PST by Bonemaker (invictus maneo)
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To: LS

Arizona was Jim Crow.

Democrat.


54 posted on 11/13/2018 7:41:48 AM PST by ifinnegan (Democrats kill babies and harvest their organs to sell)
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To: Wayne07
Texas will go blue soon if the GOP, and we conservatives, can't come up with a better message to hispanics about staying red.

Polls show that 40% (+/-) want a halt to illegal immigration so I'd start with that issue. The trouble is the globalist, DC RINOs want open borders.

55 posted on 11/13/2018 7:41:58 AM PST by JonPreston
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To: Bonemaker

“How will she vote on gun control?”

Carefully. Maybe minor steps, but she’ll have a pass to vote against serious gun control because it won’t pass the Senate anyways and Schumer wants her in office thru 2050.


56 posted on 11/13/2018 7:42:52 AM PST by Mr Rogers (Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools)
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To: ScottinVA
I do, unless some verifiable proof of voter fraud surfaces. This country isn't as conservative as many of us would like to believe.

The country is conservative. It occasionally votes liberal because the media weapon system keeps people deliberately misinformed. We destroy that weapon system, and the nation will seek it's natural affinity. So long as liberals can keep control of the propaganda apparatus, the nation will reflect the influence of their weapon system.

57 posted on 11/13/2018 7:44:35 AM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: Mr Rogers

“Hasn’t helped that any time a conservative won the primary here, the state and National GOP pulled all funding...”

Yes.

McSally is McCain.

Down the the micks in their name, and flying.

Stupid choice.

This a two year time of reorganization.


58 posted on 11/13/2018 7:45:09 AM PST by ifinnegan (Democrats kill babies and harvest their organs to sell)
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To: gaijin
This year scared me: If we lose Texas we’re dead.

Texas is interesting. It began as a democrat state, with Sam Houston as the only one with Republican sentiments.

I moved to Dallas in 1975 and at that time it was unusual to have a Republican anywhere. Good old Jim Collins (R) served the area where lots of Texas Instrument employees lived, mostly in the district covering Richardson. Collins was a pretty lonely guy in the Texas delegation.

With the tech boom happening in the late 1970s, many people moved into the major Texas cities. The minor races in the big cities in those days began to get Republicans voters, whereas the outer areas were still democrat.

When Ronald Reagan ran for president something really interesting happened in the entire state of Texas. The outer areas and the cities suddenly seemed to wake up and we voted for Ronald Reagan. Texas became a red state.

I made a series of trips to the capital in Austin over the years and the change was palpable. By 1994, it was quite evident that the Republicans were firmly in charge.

Over the last number of elections the vote in the four major cities have trended democrat due to a number of forces. In Dallas county, in 2005, we had the majority of judgeships, however we lost that edge after the Katrina survivors moved to much higher ground. Add to that the muslims getting activated and the illegals voting, it has been difficult to maintain (R) in the big cities.

However, Ted Cruz won the election because people living outside the big cities have not changed their political affiliation. So, that is why the commie-demonrats want to flood our borders.

We need to build the wall.

59 posted on 11/13/2018 7:52:10 AM PST by Slyfox (Not my circus, not my monkeys)
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To: JonPreston

More border control, border safety and border security is one of many ways to frame the issue that is appealing to almost everyone. While functionally stopping illegal immigration.


60 posted on 11/13/2018 7:57:23 AM PST by Wayne07
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