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Federal Court: Semi-Autos ‘Industinguishable’ From M-16s
guns.com ^ | July 26, 2019 | Chris Eger

Posted on 07/28/2019 7:50:17 AM PDT by PROCON

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To: eyedigress

A wood stock and a 5 round mag make it all safe and unscary again. :-) But, butler creek stock and a ‘banana clip’ make it a WMD. Why yes Virginia, these people really are assclowns.


41 posted on 07/28/2019 9:57:01 AM PDT by rktman ( #My2ndAmend! ----- Enlisted in the Navy in '67 to protect folks rights to strip my rights. WTH?)
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To: kiryandil

These courts do not have nationwide jurisdiction.

I don’t know why anypne believes they do.


42 posted on 07/28/2019 9:58:54 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not Averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: PROCON
“Because the Court concludes that semiautomatic assault rifles are essentially indistinguishable from M-16s, which Heller noted could be banned pursuant to longstanding prohibitions on dangerous and usual weapons, the Court need not reach the question of whether semiautomatic rifles are excluded from the Second Amendment because they are not in common use for lawful purposes like self-defense,” said Staton, an appointment by President Obama. Staton also quoted that the rate of fire of such guns, listed in the order as “300 to 500 round per minute rate” makes semiautomatic rifles “virtually indistinguishable in practical effect from machineguns.”

They don't even *pretend* to represent facts any more.

43 posted on 07/28/2019 10:04:17 AM PDT by Lazamataz (We can be called a racist and we'll just smile. Because we don't care.)
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To: PROCON
...essentially indistinguishable...

I call BS. Civilian AR-15 pattern rifles - aka modern sporting rifles - are significantly different from M-16 in one very important aspect - "select fire" or selective fire capability.

M16s have the capability to shoot semi-automatic, but they also have the ability to fire in burst (3 round) or full-auto mode. Civilian AR-15s are semi-automatic only.

I can hear the libtards out there right now - those with a modicum of firearms knowledge - saying to themselves "Yeah, but in virtually all other respects a civilian AR-15 is identical to a military M16..." Sure, you can play operator wanna-be and deck out your AR-15 to be just like what your favorite military branch/group uses, your favorite TV/movie action star, or the simulated one you have in COD...

But it still differs in that one very important (not indistinguishable) aspect: it is a semi-auto. If rate of fire is not an important discriminator, then why are there "bullet buttons"??? Why are there magazine capacity limits? Seems they have already acknowledged they'd like to limit rate of fire - so it must be an important characteristic of a firearm. That contradicts the claim that a semi-auto is "indistinguishable" from a full-auto or burst-capable firearm. You can't have it both ways Cali.

44 posted on 07/28/2019 10:04:17 AM PDT by ThunderSleeps ( Be ready!)
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To: ThunderSleeps
And, of course here lies the essential problem with the ruling:

{Judge} Staton, extensively citing briefs in the case from anti-gun groups such as the Brady Center, Everytown and Giffords...

These rulings are based solely on propaganda from anti-Constitutional groups.

No real firearms experts input is allowed.

45 posted on 07/28/2019 10:13:20 AM PDT by PROCON ('Progressive' is a Euphemism for <strike>Totalitarian</strike> COMMUNIST)
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To: xander

In addition to the lower receiver pin for the automatic sear, they also have a different hammer, disconnector, trigger, and selector lever. The bolt carrier has a different rear surface area to trip the auto sear.

The AR-15’s lower receiver is machined in such a way has to prevent the easy replacemment of automatic fire control group parts with semi-auto ones.

For the most part, except for the final stages of an assault, when attempting to obtain fire superiority, and firing final protective fires along final protective lines during a perimeter defense, semi-auto fire is generally superior to full auto fire from an individual non belt fed shoulder fired firearm.


46 posted on 07/28/2019 10:19:41 AM PDT by DMZFrank
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To: PROCON

Because they LOOK like a military rifle...

Idiocy.


47 posted on 07/28/2019 10:47:33 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Where does it say in the Constitution anyone is entitled to the property another has labored for?)
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To: PROCON

‘Impeach all democrat judges. Impeach all democrat judges. Impeach all demo...”

We need to Alinsky this corrupt congress with nonstop calls for as strong an action on the other side as Nadler and his bunch are calling for against Trump.

If we do this enough, they’ll either stop the nonsense or make so many grievous political errors that they’ll never be in the majority again. We just haven’t fought them hard enough yet. Trump has shown us it can be done. But he can’t do it all alone.


48 posted on 07/28/2019 11:34:29 AM PDT by mywholebodyisaweapon (Thank God for President Trump.)
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To: PROCON

She doesn’t seem to know very much about guns.

https://www.ocregister.com/2010/06/22/senate-sends-oc-judge-to-federal-bench/


49 posted on 07/28/2019 1:08:05 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: ChildOfThe60s

I’m trying to imagine pulling the trigger on my AR 15 300+ times in a minute.
= = =

Do you stop to change mags? Or do you have a 300+ round magazine? And how much does it weigh, loaded?

You are a danger, citizen, just thinking those thoughts.


50 posted on 07/28/2019 1:37:28 PM PDT by Scrambler Bob (/S liberally (oops) applied to all posts.)
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To: School of Rational Thought

Rate of fire.

Jerry meets their rate, with a revolver. I can too with a revolver if I don’t aim.

So if their ‘rate of fire’ makes it an M-16, they are ignoramuses. But we know this already.


51 posted on 07/28/2019 1:40:29 PM PDT by Scrambler Bob (/S liberally (oops) applied to all posts.)
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To: PROCON

Tyranny


52 posted on 07/28/2019 1:50:51 PM PDT by wastedyears (The left would kill every single one of us and our families if they knew they could get away with it)
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To: PROCON
Federal Court: Semi-Autos ‘Industinguishable’ From M-16s

So then the ban on civilian ownership of M-16's is null and void?? Woo hoo!

53 posted on 07/28/2019 3:23:22 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: PROCON
Federal Court: Semi-Autos ‘Indistinguishable’ From M-16s

Well, Judge Josephine Staton is functionally indistinguishable from a rutabaga, but the feral government seems able to send a check to the same one every month.

54 posted on 07/28/2019 3:25:21 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: Scrambler Bob
Do you stop to change mags? Or do you have a 300+ round magazine?

I have ten 30 round mags and can magically super speed swap them because I don't live in California where you need a permit to change a magazine.

You are a danger, citizen

High praise sir, thank you!

55 posted on 07/28/2019 3:34:32 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s........you weren't really there)
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To: PROCON

That’s an intentional misreading of Heller and will be struck down by the SCOTUS.


56 posted on 07/28/2019 3:41:51 PM PDT by FLT-bird
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To: DariusBane
The 2nd amendment was designed to point a loaded military grade weapon at the federal government.

Yep, though actually all governments, not just the federales. And that is why they desperately want to outlaw them. They don't give a damn about murder victims and victims of crime. That's just smoke and mirrors.

They would outlaw rubber band guns if they thought people could use them to resist the government.

57 posted on 07/28/2019 3:42:57 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s........you weren't really there)
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To: Bob434
I wish he'd said that. But, Ozzy's a bit addlepated.

America doesn't need as many guns! I keep hearing this [expletive] thing that guns don't kill people, but people kill people. If that's the case, why do we give people guns when they go to war? Why not just send the people? In my case, when I was a child, if my father had a gun, I would have [expletive] used it. The temptation would have been too great.

58 posted on 07/28/2019 4:09:07 PM PDT by gundog ( Hail to the Chief, bitches!)
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To: ChildOfThe60s

“The 2nd amendment was designed to point a loaded military grade weapon at the federal government.”

That statement is incredibly radical. Was then. Is today. That is amusing to me.


59 posted on 07/28/2019 5:56:40 PM PDT by DariusBane (Liberty and Risk. Flip sides of the same coin. So how much risk will YOU accept? Vive Deo et Vives)
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To: gundog

someone must have modified what he said- saw it on pinterest-


60 posted on 07/28/2019 8:55:04 PM PDT by Bob434
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