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Death by Black Powder
Am Shooting Journal ^ | 1/17/20 | F Jardim

Posted on 01/17/2020 8:29:18 AM PST by w1n1

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To: w1n1

“...lasted just over five years...”?


21 posted on 01/17/2020 9:55:44 AM PST by Rinnwald
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To: GOP_Party_Animal

Maybe it was Pale Rider. With that massive shootout at the end, he would have been reloading a lot.

Actually, swapping Remington cylinders is much faster than reloading a Colt Peacemaker. Kind of the first magazine handgun.


22 posted on 01/17/2020 10:00:44 AM PST by elcid1970 ("The Second Amendment is more important than Islam.")
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To: sima_yi
As the historian Shelby Foote said, “The reason the casualty numbers were so horrific is because the weapons were way ahead of the tactics.”

I read where smoothbores were effective out to about 100 yards and if hit, the ball just plowed through, breaking any bones encountered. The rifled muskets could hit a man on horseback at 500 yards and if you aimed in the center of the crew serving an artillery piece at 1,000 yards, you'd hit somebody. The Minie ball mushroomed on impact and shattered bone clear up to the joint, which is why there were so many amputations.

23 posted on 01/17/2020 10:04:32 AM PST by Oatka
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To: The Great RJ

As a kid growing up in NJ, my Dad took us to Gettysburg on a day-trip. I had never before nor ever since had such a vivid eerie experience of spooks flying all around that place. Still gives me the chills just thinking about it, over 50 years later.


24 posted on 01/17/2020 10:19:41 AM PST by Attention Surplus Disorder (Apoplectic is where we want them)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

Apropos of nothing in particular except the word “ago”, I was thinking the other day that in 20 years, Pearl Harbor will be 100 years “ago”, just like the Civil War was when I was growing up.


25 posted on 01/17/2020 10:24:06 AM PST by Attention Surplus Disorder (Apoplectic is where we want them)
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder

I often use those sort of ideas to instill in my son the broad sweep of history. He’s amazed that my grandfather fought in WW I on the German side and was a POW in Russia. We often discuss major geo-political and technological changes that our family’s generations have seen through the decades and centuries. We place the big events like wars, the space program, landing on the moon, etc in specific blocks of time. This helps connect the many historical dots.

I think this has given him a better grasp of history than just memorization of dates in history class. It’s really fun that he enjoys these discussions, too.

The funny thing is he hates current “politics” and won’t engage in discussion. I point out to him that everything we discuss about history is just “politics.” He’s finally come to see that — but still doesn’t want to discuss what’s going on today.


26 posted on 01/17/2020 10:57:07 AM PST by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

If he’s disgusted by the events of today, it’s a fair bet that you’re educating him properly.


27 posted on 01/17/2020 11:55:30 AM PST by Attention Surplus Disorder (Apoplectic is where we want them)
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To: Oatka
"I read where smoothbores were effective out to about 100 yards..."

I think it is important to define "effective range," based on the tactics. For today's infantryman with his M4, we think about "effective range," in terms of how far away he can hit and incapacitate an enemy soldier he happens to be shooting at.

In Napoleonic era tactics, smoothbore muzzle loaders were doctrinally used by massed blocks of infantry firing volleys against other massed blocks of infantry. In such an arrangement, your fire is "effective" even if you don't hit the soldier you're aiming at, as long as you hit the soldier standing to his left, or three soldiers down the rank to his right.

I have a repro Brown Bess (Long Land Pattern). Granted, I don't shoot it that often, but to apply today's definition of "effective range" to that weapon would be very dispiriting. I think at 100 yards I would stand a reasonable chance (60-80%?) of hitting a target the size of a horse and rider, hitting one or the other. I personally would not be confident of hitting a man-sized target at anything at all over 75 yards, and that would be stretching my abilities. Some people hunt with smooth bore muskets during blackpowder season. I won't as I'm not confident in my ability to place an effective kill shot.

28 posted on 01/17/2020 12:28:07 PM PST by Joe 6-pack (Qui me amat, amat et canem meum.)
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To: Joe 6-pack
I have a repro Brown Bess (Long Land Pattern). Granted, I don't shoot it that often, but to apply today's definition of "effective range" to that weapon would be very dispiriting. I think at 100 yards I would stand a reasonable chance (60-80%?) of hitting a target the size of a horse and rider, hitting one or the other. I personally would not be confident of hitting a man-sized target at anything at all over 75 yards, and that would be stretching my abilities.

There was a report by a British ordnance guy who tested the Brown Bess at 50 yards. When asked for the results, he wrote "Fired three shots at target. One went high, one went low, and where in Hell did the other one go?"

I used to belong to the Brigade of the American Revolution (think a flintlock version of the Civil War Skirmish Association). I used a beautiful 1842 St. Etienne flint musket, and with the ammo suggested, could occasionally hit a flower pot at 25 yards. We had one guy who could do that regularly and we wrote it off to him using a tighter fitting ball. Turned out out he let his thumbnail grow long, then cut a notch in it and positioned his thumb on the stock's grip as a crude rear sight. We always wondered if anyone thought of that in the old days - or whether it would have mattered.

29 posted on 01/17/2020 3:47:24 PM PST by Oatka
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

After the war ended. the U.S. Army Ordnance Dept. figured it took 24 lbs. of lead to kill a Confederate soldier.


30 posted on 01/17/2020 4:54:00 PM PST by Bull Snipe
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To: w1n1

“It was cast smaller than the rifle bore so it could be easily loaded down the barrel.”

This is incorrect. During the CW, bullets were not cast.
The arsenals swaged the bullets from sheet lead.


31 posted on 01/17/2020 4:59:01 PM PST by Bull Snipe
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To: elcid1970

I know a guy from the range that can reload a Colt in about three seconds flat. Me, 20 seconds on a good day.


32 posted on 01/17/2020 5:04:48 PM PST by mad_as_he$$
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To: w1n1
Five years? April 1861 to April 1865 is four years.

They don't point out that nearly all of the military casualties were men, so it was more like 7% of the male population of the country at the time, and perhaps more than 15% of the adult and late adolescent male population at the time.

33 posted on 01/18/2020 10:35:11 AM PST by Verginius Rufus
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