Posted on 05/23/2020 3:52:29 PM PDT by Michal T
The average over the last 19 years is 37,462 deaths per year.
COVID we knew going into it would be different, so we reacted. The deaths you're quoting and projecting for COVID reflects the lock down.
So you're comparing COVID deaths WITH a lock down to FLU deaths without a lock down.
We've had 1,666,000 known cases of COVID this year so far. The CDC estimates an average of 28.6 million cases of flu each year. So one of the reasons we are at 2.5 times deaths of an average flue season, instead of 59 times is that not as many people have caught COVID as normally get the flu. Thanks in large part to the shut downs, social distancing and some people wearing masks.
"CDC estimates that influenza has resulted in between 9 million – 45 million illnesses, between 140,000 – 810,000 hospitalizations and between 12,000 – 61,000 deaths annually since 2010." - same cdc source.
Ron Paul (MD) said he should be fired...April 10th.
https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/apr/10/ron-paul-former-gop-congressman-trump-should-fire-/
Granted, I think Trump would have been put in a very difficult position had he done this back then. Trump needs to tread carefully when dealing with Big Pharma, and he does not have enough allies on Capitol Hill.
anyone still claiming to work out rates based on CASES is either stupid or being deceptive. CASES means nothing, except as a weapon for the FakeNewsMSM to wield against those govts they don’t approve of.
WHO I SUE?
No one. Barr will ensure of that!
FakeNewsMSM is on the attack. now they question “models”, attack the Trump Administration:
why didn’t they question the models from Imperial, IHME and Marc Lipsitch of Harvard?
22 May: NPR: Scientists Say New, Lower CDC Estimates For Severity Of COVID-19 Are Optimistic
by Liz Essley Whyte
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention this week revised downward its estimates for future infections and deaths from the coronavirus, painting a picture of the pandemic that some scientists say is overly optimistic — and that plays into fears the agency could be responding to political pressure...
The CDC and White House did not respond to requests for comment...
Four out of seven experts consulted earlier by the Center for Public Integrity found the CDC’s death rate estimates from April too low. The revised figures remain too optimistic, Harvard epidemiologist William Hanage said...
The fatality rates in the document “are certainly at the very low end” of those that scientists think possible, agreed Joseph Lewnard, an epidemiologist at the University of California, Berkeley. “Greater clarity on the scientific basis for these estimates is urgently needed.”...
“Modeling is done in order to explore the consequences of things you’d rather not find out the hard way,” Hanage said. “All the models are only going to be as good as their assumptions.”...
Another expert, University of Washington biologist Carl Bergstrom, said that even the CDC’s worst-case scenario is realistically a best-case scenario. The agency’s worst-case fatality rate, he noted, is more optimistic than recent, high-quality coronavirus data about the death rate in Spain.
“These [CDC] numbers are so far outside of the scientific consensus that this strikes me as a devious and cynical effort to manipulate not only federal modeling but the broader scientific discourse,” Bergstrom wrote on Twitter.
The CDC’s latest fatality rates are in line with one set of estimates: those that John Ioannidis, a Stanford University professor of medicine, published in a not-yet-peer-reviewed analysis of antibody studies worldwide.
Ioannidis has championed a less cautious response to the coronavirus, earning kudos from those who favor swift reopenings, such as Fox News anchor Laura Ingraham, and criticism from many public health experts. He did not respond to a request for comment...
The fatality rate, for instance, falls below a wide range of possible rates used by Imperial College London in its model for all 50 states...
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/05/22/860981956/scientists-say-new-lower-cdc-estimates-for-severity-of-covid-19-are-optimistic
You are still a full of it lockdown apologist.
Go elsewhere.
EXACTLY same story. I’ve posted about this here before. There was obviously a consensus amongst the (Liberal) medical community that if the public thought AIDS was “a gay disease” the funding for research wouldn’t be there. In short order, we saw the always-obliging media pushing stories about “heterosexual AIDS.” Similarly, COVID-19 has, through the efforts of the media, become not just a disease mainly imperiling the elderly and those with compromised immune systems and pre-existing conditions, but a scourge that threatens everyone. Lately, I’ve seen a bunch of stories about children with illnesses that “might” be COVID-19 related. You have to read a few paragraphs down to get into the “might” and the “maybe” and the “possibly.”
Fauci’s supporters will say that the shut down is what prevented the hundreds of thousands of deaths.
Remember, in January and most of February Fauci predictedl low numbers. Why did he change to high numbers in late Feb or early March? Was is scientific? Or was it the influence of others?
And gentle into that good night Fauci will go, with millions of dollars and the eternal love of the lefties.
The only justice is the fact that there is about a 99.999999% chance that I will outlive the bastard, and know a world without him in it.
This nation is gone.
Amen to that. A disgrace.
I would like to know just how many deaths there would have actually been if these bastard left governors DID NOT deliberately infect nursing homes!!
The predictions changed because the DNC finally figured out their plan of attack on how to not let the crisis go to waste.
In early March (possibly late February, but I think it was March) Fauci said the virus wouldn’t be a big deal for Americans and masks were not necessary. Two weeks later businesses were being unconstitutionally shut down and the world was supposedly ending.
In the interim, the left developed a plan an issued the marching orders to their soldiers.
Fauci the fraud
Though just an estimate, I think it's important that the CDC is admitting that many cases don't show symptoms. It estimates 35% don't (and the percentage may be even higher). Also it gives a fatality rate for symptomatic cases of 0.4%, much lower than the 3.4% predicted earlier by the WHO (and the fatality rate itself shouldn't be affected significantly by the data being from April unless the quality of the care has changed, and if so, it probably became better).
So with many cases being asymptomatic, the true fatality rate should be lower than 0.4%. The question is how much lower. Some sources like this Red State one are simply lowering the CDC 0.4 by 35% and getting 0.26%. I don't think that's mathematically correct, though. I asked about this elsewhere, and so far nobody has responded.
Dividing 4 by 1350, and multiplying by 100 for percent, I get 0.296%, or rounding it off further 0.3%. That's still significantly better than 0.4%. If 0.26% is wrong, though, it needs to be corrected at conservative sites, else Snopes will ignore the news media reporting the fatality rate as 0.4%, and instead label 0.26% as false.
I'm out of practice doing math, though. Others should try it themselves and see what number they get. If they get 0.26%, fine. Otherwise that percentage needs to be corrected before the left gets ahold of it.
I meant to address my previous post to all of you (and others).
“...The little rat destroyed hundreds of thousands of lives and businesses enabling rat Governors to put millions under house arrest. He should spend the rest of his life in jail....”
The PIAPS-loving SOB carried out his plandemic assignment perfectly. He should be locked up at GITMO as a domestic terrorist along with the rest of their colluding filthy ilk.
There are folks that really need to be hanged for this BS.
mark
We now know what it is like to live under Fauci-ism
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