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Scientists Conclude Dire Climate Change Models Were Wrong, Now What?
Mish Talk ^ | 02/07/2022 | Mike Shedlock

Posted on 02/07/2022 4:15:46 PM PST by SeekAndFind

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To: dsrtsage

Please define/explain your formula and values.


21 posted on 02/07/2022 5:23:23 PM PST by AFreeBird
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To: SeekAndFind

GIGO is still true, even for a super-duper computer.


22 posted on 02/07/2022 5:27:43 PM PST by seowulf (Civilization begins with order, grows with liberty, and dies with chaos...Will Durant)
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To: AFreeBird

Sorry, was distracted at time…

Te = 58 + Log2(CO2/280) * 1.8

Average temperature of earth (according to all democrats)

Is 58 degrees (F) - temperature of earth before industrial revolution

Plus log base 2 of current CO2 ppm concentration in atmosphere divided by the pristine earth CO2 atmospheric concentration before industrial revolution times the current accepted value of how much the temperature increases per doubling of CO2.

The point is to show that the average earth temperature is a function of CO2 and only CO2 and has little or nothing to do with thousands of other factors


23 posted on 02/07/2022 5:43:43 PM PST by dsrtsage ( Complexity is just simple lacking imagination)
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To: SeekAndFind

Clouds affect the weather? Who could have guessed.

Next someone will say that the sun affects the weather.


24 posted on 02/07/2022 5:45:40 PM PST by Bubba_Leroy (Dementia Joe is Not My President)
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To: SeekAndFind

FTA: “A climate model able to capture the subtle effects of individual cloud systems, storms, regional wildfires and ocean currents at a more detailed scale would require a thousand times more computer power, they said.”

Q. How do you power all of those supercomputers?
A. With electricity.
Q. Where do you get the electricity?
A. Rainbows and unicorn farts.


25 posted on 02/07/2022 5:53:19 PM PST by Bubba_Leroy (Dementia Joe is Not My President)
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To: D Rider

Yep - been saying the same thing for about the same amount of time. The earth is self-balancing. Man, in his self-deluded “scientific” wisdom, cannot understand this.


26 posted on 02/07/2022 6:00:10 PM PST by DennisR (Look around - God gives countless clues that He does, indeed, exist.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Its not the supercomputer thats the problem

Its their fatally flawed, incorrect, inaccurate computer models.

Theyve known for years their models are not right

They will run data from the 70s and 80s and they cant forecast and match the acrual known data from the 90s and 2000s, for example.


27 posted on 02/07/2022 6:00:38 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: SeekAndFind

“We’re, like, the world is going to end in 12 years if we don’t address climate change.”

Amazing how AOC can be so wise, prescient, and scientific at such a young age. /s


28 posted on 02/07/2022 6:02:54 PM PST by DennisR (Look around - God gives countless clues that He does, indeed, exist.)
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To: SeekAndFind
Remember kids,

"The Science is Settled"TM

29 posted on 02/07/2022 6:09:45 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change with out notice.)
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To: SeekAndFind

So all those eco nazi regs get wiped out and we can get our money back right?


30 posted on 02/07/2022 6:14:28 PM PST by fruser1
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To: SeekAndFind

Would you take a medication that had only been tested in a computer model of human drug effects and had never been given to actual humans in a clinical trial?


31 posted on 02/07/2022 6:17:13 PM PST by neverevergiveup
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To: No Party Affiliation

After having worked in IT for 30 years and developed many programs I can tell you that a modeling program is only as good as the logic that the programmer can devise, the data that is fed into it, and the people interpreting the results. Software is a tool - not a crystal ball or an omniscient being. It amazes me how people that don’t understand this just swallow this propaganda down.


32 posted on 02/07/2022 7:03:45 PM PST by WMarshal ("No war for communism"I doubt they're smart enough to make the connection)
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To: SeekAndFind

See Dr. Roy Spencer’s take on this from over ten years ago.

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/01/13/spencer-clouds-dominate-co2-as-a-climate-driver-since-2000/

His research is still the most formidable about this subject, I believe.


33 posted on 02/07/2022 7:10:58 PM PST by AFPhys ((Liberalism is what Smart looks like to Stupid people - ® - Mia of KC. Rush - 1:50-8/21/15))
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To: colorado tanker

I can tell you with absolute fact that if CO2 goes below 180 parts per million then plants die.. This has been proven in closed greenhouses. Furthermore greenhouses pump extra CO2 into them to make plants grow faster.

We are at one of the lowest levels of CO2 ever recorded and are in the midst of a 2 million year old ice age. Coincidence?

Without CO2 in the atmosphere we would all be dead. CO2 is Fundamental to life on earth as the only molecule that plant photosynthesis is based on so trying to contain it at its present anemic, unhealthy levels is pure insanity.


34 posted on 02/07/2022 7:12:48 PM PST by WMarshal ("No war for communism"I doubt they're smart enough to make the connection)
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To: Secret Agent Man

Not flawed data, flawed minds.


35 posted on 02/07/2022 7:25:53 PM PST by just me (Trade your liberty for temporary safety. I will keep mine. My family doesn't fly a white flag.)
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To: Vision

Claw back all the grant funds for the last six decades...


36 posted on 02/07/2022 7:27:09 PM PST by cgbg (A kleptocracy--if they can keep it. Think of it as the Cantillon Effect in action.)
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To: just me

the flawed minds created the flawed models which generated the flawed predictions


37 posted on 02/07/2022 7:27:56 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Patently obvious. They can’t tell us accurately if it will rain 3 days from now. How the hell can they model future climate? The best proof is that no current models can describe actual past climate. They were all wrong. It is painfully obvious that the input paramaters are too vast for our current technology.

This is just on the surface - this knowing that climate change models are useless and therefore inaccurate.

Beyond that, once you realize this all began with the Club of Rome, tie into UN Agenda 21, and that the strategy of using Environmental Alarmism to control population and starve the US of cheap energy, everything else makes sense.


38 posted on 02/07/2022 9:38:43 PM PST by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (America -- July 4, 1776 to November 3, 2020 -- R.I.P.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Models will get better... Bulltaco. Not in the next 100 years they won’t.


39 posted on 02/07/2022 9:39:30 PM PST by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (America -- July 4, 1776 to November 3, 2020 -- R.I.P.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I would bet that climate models are as poor with oceans as they are with clouds. So even if they could model clouds reasonably well (LMFAO at that), they would still have to master modelling oceans for climate models to be of any use.

The challenge appears insurmountable. A massive leap in real time planet wide data collection would be needed along with computing power to process it. I won’t say “never”, but it seems like cold fusion will be a reality long before we can model long term climate.


40 posted on 02/07/2022 9:42:30 PM PST by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (America -- July 4, 1776 to November 3, 2020 -- R.I.P.)
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