Attack On Europe: Documenting Russian Equipment Losses During The 2022 Russian Invasion Of Ukraine

I am not sure I understand your position. So let me get this straight Russia invaded because of US/others “meddling” in Ukraine and is committing war crimes without “consent”(what does consent have to do with it) and so Russia invades Ukraine. Are the Russians not committing war crimes on a massive scale as well. Are there really any good guys in this whole thing? What was the threat to Russia, was Ukraine about to invade Russia???? The Soviet Union gave away Ukraine whether Putin agrees with this or not that is what happened. Even Ukraine joining NATO was not an actual threat to Russia. This is what I find so fascinating about geopolitics. There was never going to be a time when Russia or China were going to be attacked or invaded by US or allies without provocation I.e. they attack first, never. if China and the USSR or now Russia just minded their own business and left the rest of the world alone none of this would be happening. It was soviets who put up the wall it was soviets who said we will destroy you and it is obvious that China has looked towards world domination in a physical way as well as economic. So Russia begins with annexation of Crimea then arrange the breakaway regions and declare autonomy because why the areas were filled with ethnic Russians…. What does that even mean? There are all kinds of regions in the world and in Russia that have areas dominated by populations who’s ethnicity don’t match the rest of the country, I guess they should all declare independence. To me it boils down to Russia invaded a sovereign nation no one made them do that and between all the bad guys involved in this they are the worst and they need to be defeated and as unlikely as that is then they need to be bloodied and hope that it results in a positive change in leadership

So let me get this straight Russia invaded because of US/others “meddling” in Ukraine

BINGO! Your reading comprehension is pretty good.

WE, under Obama, fomented a revolution in 2014 in Ukraine and ENCOURAGED, trained and funded Ukrainian nationalists and neo-Nazis to persecuted and kill ethnic Russians in eastern Ukraine. We encouraged Ukraine to reject the Minsk Agreement that is it signed that would have ended the civil war we setoff by fomenting the Maidan revolution>

There has been an eight-year civil war in Ukraine because of the meddling of both Obama regime and neocon a-holes like Lindsey Graham and John McCain, who went to Ukraine to encourage the revolution.

And, most of the ground war in Donetsk and Lugansk has been fought by UKRAINIANS of the DPR and LPR militias.

Russia also had legitimate security. We armed Ukraine with offensive weapons, teased NATO membership and were running biolabs with deadly pathogens in them. Russia has far more of reason to go to war than we ever did in EITHER Iraq war.

This another in the long line of neocon and "liberal world order" that has caused chaos in the rest of the world but benefited our corrupt political class and their special interest groups. Ukraine is the most corrupt country in Europe and George Soros and the Bidens, working with corrupt oligarchs, have made millions there. And, that and feeding the defense industry, is what this war is all about.

God damn you to hell for supporting it all.

Just learned how to find posts to me so apologize for late response Your points are well made but just a couple of counterpoints. Was the annexation of Crimea part of the Minsk agreement? Was the arranging of the “breakaway” regions part of the Minsk agreement? Has not Russia waged wars against ethnic groups within their country? Does it make what Ukraine did right but Russia doesn’t t have much of a moral leg to stand on and I have many questions about the spontaneous nature of the referendums pretty sure Russia was doin a little meddling of their own for their own interests and not so much for the people of those areas And lastly no matter how much offensive weaponry as you term them, was Ukraine ever going to go offensive on Russia? This war shows how successful that would have been. In the end I believe that this has much more to do with Putin’s ego and ambitions than any national security risk. Not saying this is right but if Putin had concentrated on breakaway regions instead of a general war the results would be different. Now he has engaged in this larger campaign and because of this he has reaped a whirlwind he did not anticipate and his ego does not allow him to backdown. A couple of other points I know I said lastly does Russia maintain offensive weapons, does Russia have bio labs and for corruption I would put Russia right up there with Ukraine

Was the annexation of Crimea part of the Minsk agreement?

So, you think Russia just decided to go in an take Crimea and force the residents there to vote to join the Russian Federation? Seriously?

Crimea until 1954 was part of Russia. The Russians have had a naval base there since 1783. The people there are overwhelmingly ethnically Russian. The freeped up Soviets "gave" Crimea to Ukraine when it was all part of one big country.

Since the fall of the Soviet Union, those in Crimea had been pushing for independence. They already had a high degree of autonomy before the Maidan revolution, which we fomented and put Ukrainian nationalists and neo-Nazis in charge that sought to discriminate against those of Russian ethnicity.

The short answer is that those in Crimea didn't want anything to do with Ukraine after a revolution that overthrow a President they overwhelmingly voted for. And, they should have that right.

And, of course, Russia wasn't going to tolerate Ukraine trying to it off from a naval base in possessed since 1783.

Was the arranging of the “breakaway” regions part of the Minsk agreement?

Yes, that is what the whole Minsk Agreement was about -- Donetsk and Lugansk. And, Ukraine signed off on in. It would have given both regions the same level of autonomy US states have.

And, why didn't Ukraine abide by that agreement: 1) Because the neo-Nazi and Ukrainian nationalists threatened another revolution and 2) Because the Obama regime enforce it.

When Biden took over, his regime gave a green light to an offensive in Donbass that would have wiped out the ethnic Russian population. And, that was one of the things that prompted Russia to intervene.

The Russians have genuine love for ethnic Russians and civilians in Ukraine. Thousands of Russians have relatives in Ukraine, especially eastern Ukraine.

Does it make what Ukraine did right but Russia doesn’t t have much of a moral leg to stand

The Russians have FAR of a moral reason to be in Ukraine than we did in EITHER Iraq war.

We, presumably, fought the first Iraq war to save the people of Kuwait. The Russians are fighting this war to save the ethnically Russian population of Ukraine, many of which are relatives of Russian citizens.

We fought the second war in Iraq under the premise that WMD existed that threated our national security. We have heavily armed Ukraine and teased NATO membership for it. We were running biolabs with deadly pathogens in them in Ukraine. Do you think we'd put up with China or Russian arming Mexico and running biolabs there?

I agree about the Mexico thing…. But morally relevant so US did bad so Russia can too. I have brought this up before and will again was it ethnic Russians Russia was protecting when invaded Chechnya? The territory that is Ukraine was given by soviets so same excuse hitler gave about ethnic Germans can be said about most countries. State lines are rarely if ever drawn based on ethnicity of populations. Putin has no legitimate reason for what he did and the two wrongs make a right doesn’t fly with me

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