Posted on 11/23/2005 7:03:10 PM PST by Halfmanhalfamazing
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^But they only did it as a response to Linux^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Oh.... Well... I'm convinced. That does it.
"I only jumped off the bridge because everybody else did"
Apparently wrong isn't so wrong to you.
Can't you see that this is is done for legitimate business reasons? None of these companies are doing what they are doing with their source because of Stallman. They are doing it because it makes good business sense.
Obviously not 'nix if you can't even guess what that popular security tool written by a Russian hacker is.
Every thing you say is contrary to the US government's responsibility to protect our information.
Again you speak of technology as you view it in a communist way, that the people own it all. The only thing in this country that is "born secrret" is nuclear secrets, and even that concept hasn't been constitutionally tested. Everything else is controlled by the author, or don't you believe in copyright?
In an organizational sense, of course any one organization protects its data and any software it deems sensitive.
and when called on it like yourself seem to want to claim we actually somehow benefit from the ridiculous giveaways.
No, it's a fact. The state of software has advanced through open source, people have made millions, and the government can save millions. That's a benefit.
America's Unix companies including Apple who you mentioned were certainly available to help develop clustering software
I'll get that idiotic one in the other post.
Yet you like Stallman feel the Cubans and Russians and Vietnamese and Syrians and Iranians all somehow deserve a free copy of our research.
They don't deserve anything. But if we want the advantages of open source software, that's the price we pay.
Your argument is still terribly weak and subjective, now even agreeing with me that Stallnan is a kook and our adversaries DO NOT deserve the rights you are giving them. You haven't quantified anything, except that we supposedly benefit from some Russian hacker who contributions are so pathetic you're too ashamed to even name them LMAO.
They don't deserve it, but then you don't really deserve any technical conversation, yet I continue. Maybe I'm a softie. Of course, the very idea behind this software is freedom, so maybe it's good that the people of these oppressed countries are exposed to it. Maybe they can keep their movements secret through free encryption and anonymization software.
It's working in China right how, where they're using advanced tools made by open source hackers to evade government scrutiny, while at the same time others are getting thrown in jail based on information given to the Chinese government by American companies.
You haven't quantified anything, except that we supposedly benefit from some Russian hacker who contributions are so pathetic you're too ashamed to even name them LMAO.
I don't name it because everybody who does any networking with Linux, and many other 'nixes, knows what it is. Anyone who knows anything about the hacking community (as any good IT security person should) knows who the author is.
I'm letting you sit in your ignorance to continually prove you don't know what you're talking about with regards to 'nix networking and security (although it is now available for Windows, too). Here's another hint: as with any good network mapping tool, it can also be used to crack, and it was shown on the movie Matrix Reloaded to do just that.
Still stumped? It's in the top 20 projects out of over 40,000, and the top-listed security tool, at a certain open source software repository.
Oh yeah, the contributions are really pathetic. You're so out of touch with the security community, the equivalent in the political world would be you not knowing who Dick Cheney is.
How dare you equate some Russian hacker to the vice commander in chief of the US! You're obviously obsessed and infatuated with these foreign hackers, well beyond reasonable belief.
Oh boohoo. I'm equating popularity. Anyone ignorant of our politics would not know who Dick Cheney is. Anyone ignorant of 'nix network security would not know who this hacker is (a white-hat, BTW, in case you know what that means).
You're obviously obsessed and infatuated with these foreign hackers
I'm obsessed with talent, no matter where in the world it shows.
In a room with people knowledgeable in the area, mentioning "open source network mapper" would have most of them guessing what you mean. Saying "Russian hacker named after a famouse Russian author" would have the rest. Any others should just switch professions, because they're incompetent.
Famouse, is that Russian for "famous"?
Harping on typos because you can't figure it out? Just doing "I feel lucky" at Google for the Matrix hint will send you straight to the home page of this security tool. That's how popular it is. You've exposed yourself as a complete poser in the area of IT security since you don't know it.
Give it up. In future posts where you claim to know something about IT security, I'll just link back to this discussion to destroy your credibility using your own words.
Oh now you're confining it to government-only. The government decides when to release anything, if at all. There, that issue's solved.
But your vitriol against open source isn't limited to that. You don't think authors of software should be able to control the dissemination of their own copyrighted works.
The only thing you've proven is you're well versed in Russian culture and want them to have free and complete access to technology developed in the USA by NASA and the NSA. Oh and that you'll endlessly insult someone for calling you on it.
Why, thank you. I studied the USSR and Russian society extensively during the Cold War -- knowing your enemy is good. I've been keeping up since the fall of communism.
want them to have free and complete access to technology developed in the USA by NASA and the NSA.
Only whatever the TLAs and FLAs decide to release. They're the authors, its they're prerogative. Unlike you, I believe the author of software can choose which license to release it under, and whether to release it at all.
On the flip side, I do like that so many talented foreigners have decided to let us use their excellent software for free. Oh, I forgot, only the USA makes decent software in your view.
Oh and that you'll endlessly insult someone for calling you on it.
Endlessly insult? Look in the mirror. I simply called you on your demonstrated lack of knowledge of IT security. Was the "I feel lucky" in Google too difficult for you?
Unless like in your case when the become your best friend and you start giving them advanced technology for free.
I do like that so many talented foreigners have decided to let us use their excellent software for free
I guess so if you consider cheap foreign knock offs to be excellent software. That's like going to Tijajuanna and claiming the fake Nike's you can buy for a buck are excellent, how much more ridiculous could you get. I don't know but I'm sure you'll show us shortly LOL.
Typcial linux flyby. Nothing but insults up in their head, certainly not a brain capable of making a relevant comment.
Almost all software is a knock-off in one way or another. The original Bell Labs UNIX was a knock off of MULTICS. MSDOS was a blatant knock-off of CP/M in the way Linux copies UNIX -- by mimicking the function, but with entirely new code underneath. Windows NT was a VMS knock-off in many ways, even had the same architect.
And if by "cheap" you mean quality, sorry bud but open source has achieved some of the highest-quality software on the general market. Closed IE can't compete with Firefox. Closed Windows is getting trounced in supercomputing by open source. Open source still runs most of the Internet.
So, when are you going to stop using the "cheap foreign knock offs" and go with proprietary US software only?
That's like going to Tijajuanna and claiming the fake Nike's you can buy for a buck are excellent, how much more ridiculous could you get.
That is a trademark issue. You always get that confused.
So what, you still in no way have justified why parties in the US, be them business or government, should be giving free technology to our adversaries. It's simply not required, for any reason, nor does it tangibly benefit us in any way. It's obviously just a leftist scheme to milk the US dry of our technological lead, or even better, attack us with weapons of our own design.
Why make a "relevant comment" about something so IRRELEVANT a topic as this?
How is Bill paying you? $20s or in stock???
ROFL................
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