Posted on 03/08/2006 6:45:22 PM PST by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
Interesting theory ... but we'll never really know for sure now, will we?
My analysis was hardly a "fantasy" analysis. It was based on his performance at the time, and looking at several "home run hitters" from the 70's (Hank Aaron, Reggie Jackson, Mike Schmidt, Willie Stargell, etc.). If you do that, you'll see that most maintain a level performance through their 30's, with no diminishing HR counts until they get in their 40's.
In my "fantasy analysis" as you call it, I was conservative in allowing for a falloff over the latter five years where Bonds would have been between 36 and 40 years old, even though the statistics of the players mentioned above don't show a fall off.
My point is it was possible for him to hit 700 home runs in the physical condition he was in in the early 90's, and that no one has accused him of "juicing" during this time period.
So lighten up, Francis.
They really did? What a..holes!
Some how that just doesn't equate. Especially the years of 38 to 42 when MOST unjuiced players fall off in total production of any sort.
Hank Aaron hit 42 HRs the last 3 years of his career and the Babe hit 51 total in his last 3.
The fact that BONDS NEVER HIT as many as 50 in any year except the monster year when he hit 73 i don't see how he could possibly break the record nor do I see him hitting 700.
Bean him.
Considering that he's got 708 total, and he hit 45 in 2003 and 2004, are you really telling me that you don't think he can hit 25 in each of the next two years?
In every ballpark Bonds visits, the fans should take up the "Let's Go BALCO" chant.
It doesn't matter now. If ands and buts or whatever...Bonds cheated and his baseball legacy is of cheater....Did you see the size of the guy in his little drag antic
He is still taking roids.
I guess we have a different definition of cheating. Personally, I consider placing wagers on your own team while being in a position to influence the game's outcome as a player/manager to be cheating.
ACtually Wells uses a George Forman Burga-Malator. But he tilts it teh other way so all the fat stays in the burger.
When the Giants play outside of the friendly confines of PacBell Stadium, opposing fans are going to give * so much hell, that he is going to want to quit.
Yeah, even Wells himself, answering critics about being out of shape, will tell you that you "can't injure fat." Or, as Sonny Jurgenson used to say, "I don't throw with my stomach."
The betting in question was at a time in which he was managing the Reds and had already been crowned hit king. Nothing in his stats suggest he didnt play his hardest during his playing days even if he was betting before managing unless you consider betting on yourself to succeed is harmful to one's game... but thats another discussion.
I don't think you can parallel Rose betting as a manager after his record was set with Bond's steroid induced HR chase that he will likely reach.
The biggest problem Rose has is his incrementalism. First, (after over a decade of lying) it was betting on sports, but not baseball. Then it was baseball, but not his team. After that, it was for his team, but only to win. Given the track record of lies, he's not credible. We'll probably get the same from Barry down the road. He stands by not "knowingly" taking steroids, for now. That's likely to evolve into...."Well, it wasn't illegal at the time." That's my parallel.
Every season Wells throws a roll and is out for a month.
The guy needs to take better care of himselfr and get on the "program". If he lost 100 pounds he would still be enormous.
Sort of, but not exactly. He only accomplished this once (1996), and came close one other time (1997, when he hit 40 home runs and stole 37 bases).
He would have retired with 500 steals and 500 HRs and no one has or will ever duplicate that feat.
Alex Rodriguez would have had a good chance of doing this if he had stayed in Seattle. His base-stealing dropped off once he signed with Texas and became more of a slugger with that big contract . . . and the Yankees have never been a big base-stealing team to begin with.
I think he looked at the attention that other players received and couldn't stand it even though he had 3 MVPs. The roids gave him some extra HR power and prolonged his career.
I agree, and I think the "career-prolonging" part of this is bigger than most people realize.
Just on general principles, because he's a rotten human being, a cheater and a liar, if I were a pitcher in the Majors, I'd plunk Barry Bonds with a fastball in his plush derriere every time he stepped up to the plate.
Not like Bonds is going to steal 30 bases on bum knees, so he can't hurt you that way, and he never gets the chance to hit the homer that ties Ruth or passes Aaron.
But more than that, it sends a message: we will not allow cheaters and liars to prosper in this game. What do you think this is? democrat (small 'd' intentional) politics where those things are prerequisites for success?
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