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A Home Loan That'll Get Ugly Fast (ARM Loan Ticking Time Bomb Alert)
Los Angeles Times ^ | 12/11/2006 | David Streifeld

Posted on 12/11/2006 1:39:38 AM PST by goldstategop

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To: rrrod
Where are you talking about? I don't see any problems here, but your points about mortgages are excellent.

I personally do not pay the bank anymore for property, but rather shift assets to maximize profit.

I do have one piece of vacant land that I am having trouble getting the price that I want, but even pricing it for quick sale would net over 10 times the original investment. - Of course, I took that bet many moons ago. 8^)
21 posted on 12/11/2006 3:18:45 AM PST by bill1952 ("All that we do is done with an eye towards something else.")
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To: goldstategop
"loans such as Hertzberg's, often called "pay option" loans.
One of his options is to pay $2,513 a month. That would cover the principal and interest as if it were a traditional 30-year loan.
A second possibility is to pay $2,279, which would cover only the interest.
But each month he always takes the cheapest option: paying $1,106 and promising to make up the shortfall later."

Oh...my...God...

This guy is borrowing an extra $1,200 per month. His mortgage company deserves to take the bath that it will soon get.

Some loan products are just bad ideas...

22 posted on 12/11/2006 3:37:02 AM PST by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: AZRepublican

Wish all mortgages were like that :-)



Sure, once you've paid off your asset in the first place, there are a lot of nice ways to spend out that capital!


23 posted on 12/11/2006 3:40:21 AM PST by Rippin
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To: goldstategop
Hertzberg to continue living in his tract home despite being only marginally employed.

I don't necessarily believe passing new legislation should be done to protect the dumb from themselves. Clearly the guy bought more than he can afford. It's his own fault, nobody elses. If you can't afford a house at these historically low interest rates, you have no business owning one. go rent.

24 posted on 12/11/2006 3:40:32 AM PST by Fierce Allegiance (SAY NO TO RUDY!)
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To: bill1952
"HERTZBERG bought his house 11 years ago for $129,995...Over the years he has taken out $190,000 in cash through refinancings...financed trips around the world ...and enabled some lousy investments. He bought dot-com stocks and lost money. To recoup those losses, he bought commodities — and lost money faster."

He's the anti-stock advisor; find what he's buying and SELL!

25 posted on 12/11/2006 3:44:38 AM PST by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: rrrod
According to my Realtors and a few others here in NC we are seeing a recent influx of folks from Fl. A lot of folks that have had prop in Fl are selling, taking their profits and headed here.

I have just recently moved to NC to be near family. The street I live on has at least 4 young couples who have left FL and moved here to NC

26 posted on 12/11/2006 3:47:19 AM PST by dearolddad
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To: goldstategop
"In the first eight months of 2006, even as the real estate market began to weaken amid fears of a downturn, the appeal increased again. Nearly 1 in 3 California loan applicants are now choosing them. The state boasts about 580,000 active pay option mortgages, about half the U.S. total."

All I can say is WOW...

27 posted on 12/11/2006 3:52:34 AM PST by EVO X
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To: dyed_in_the_wool

The article is awfully insulting ain't it? Reads like an editorial for Weekly Reader, and every word longer than four words is followed by its definiton...


28 posted on 12/11/2006 3:53:15 AM PST by Freedom4US (u)
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To: Fierce Allegiance
"HERTZBERG bought his house 11 years ago for $129,995...paying the minimum, Hertzberg has increased the size of his loan in a little over a year from $320,000 to $332,616."

"Clearly the guy bought more than he can afford. It's his own fault, nobody elses. If you can't afford a house at these historically low interest rates, you have no business owning one. go rent."

Heck, he didn't "buy" a house so much as he found a way to milk mortgage companies for money that he's never going to repay. He's been skimming $20k per year from them.

They've been paying *him*.

29 posted on 12/11/2006 4:03:40 AM PST by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: dearolddad

welcome...come on in and join the NC state FR board!


30 posted on 12/11/2006 4:04:07 AM PST by rrrod
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To: goldstategop
HERTZBERG bought his house 11 years ago for $129,995, immediately after his second divorce. (He has no children.)...Comparable homes in his neighborhood fetch more than $400,000. With fresh paint and a few repairs, Hertzberg could probably sell his place for $275,000 more than he paid.

He would see little of that, however, because he's already seen so much. Over the years he has taken out $190,000 in cash through refinancings.

Hertzberg's home equity paid off his credit cards, financed trips around the world that allowed him to indulge his passion for photography, bought a $32,000 Toyota Avalon and enabled some lousy investments. He bought dot-com stocks and lost money. To recoup those losses, he bought commodities — and lost money faster.

"Free money always has the unfortunate effect of making people go overboard," said Hertzberg, whose living room is strewn with financial publications including American Cash Flow Journal and Donald Trump's "How to Get Rich." "You'd be surprised how fast $190,000 can go."

...Last fall, he went to a mortgage broker and refinanced again to make his payments easier to bear. He thought he would have a five-year window before the principal started coming due.

But the day of reckoning is arriving early. By paying the minimum, Hertzberg has increased the size of his loan in a little over a year from $320,000 to $332,616.

..."I'm waiting for a 100-year loan," [Hertzberg] said. "My heirs can worry about paying it off."

As I was reading this, I first thought the guy was just an Idiot. By the time I was through the piece, I decided that he is a con artist who has been gaming the system in order to get cheap rent & never had any intention of paying down the principle.

31 posted on 12/11/2006 4:22:49 AM PST by elli1
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To: capitalist229
The Fed is bailing them out as we speak by injecting prodigious amounts of credit into the system ala 2001.

You do know that the overnight rate the Fed is targeting is higher than the yield on the 30 year bond, don't you?

32 posted on 12/11/2006 4:43:54 AM PST by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: goldstategop
People today don't look at the cost of a house...

That's because everybody is dumber than you.

33 posted on 12/11/2006 4:45:06 AM PST by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: rrrod
According to my realtor and a few others here in NC we are seeing a recent influx of folks from Fl.

Florida is a quagmire.

Between the Floridians and the illegal Mexicans, NC will never be the same.

34 posted on 12/11/2006 4:47:17 AM PST by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: Melinda in TN

In San Diego, a half-million would get you maybe a 1500 sq ft house on an 1/8 acre lot.


35 posted on 12/11/2006 4:54:31 AM PST by newzjunkey (Prepare Now! - Coming 1-20-09, President Rodham)
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To: elli1
I've heard 40 yr mortgages advertised, even 50 yr. I think Japan does do those kinds of generational mortgages but they seem to intend to literally keep the home in one family across generations. This guy is clearly a royal bastard.
36 posted on 12/11/2006 5:05:27 AM PST by newzjunkey (Prepare Now! - Coming 1-20-09, President Rodham)
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To: goldstategop

So? They probably only put a few thousand dollars of their own money into the houses. They got to live in a home for a while, a nice home, and now that it is clear they can't afford it, the bank will take the house off their hands and they can go back to renting, or into a smaller home that they should have been in to begin with.

These loans are bad, but the people who took them because they had no choice aren't really the ones I care about, because THEIR alternative was simply NOT to buy a home, and that's where they will end up (albeit with a few thousand less in their pockets).

I worry more about people who took 2nd mortgages on houses they owned for years, based on low interest rates and inflated home prices. They could lose their homes which otherwise were not in danger at all, simply because they wanted money the easy way.


37 posted on 12/11/2006 5:06:29 AM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Southack

I don't feel bad for him, he's gotten to have a lot of fun and now he'll get our without having to pay for it (other than losing the equity he might have put into his home).


38 posted on 12/11/2006 5:10:18 AM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: GraceCoolidge

Then you cant be that old, cause I remember my parents buying stuff on Lay-Away at KMart. The difference being, is that people back then had to save up because there was no credit. I am purchaseing an apartment right now and taking out a 30year fixed loan for 40% of the purchase price.
However, 2 of my parents neighbors had to sell to avoid foreclosure. They were able to afford big screen TVs and chain-smoking and game controllers.

It is a question of vision, do you want to live moment by moment or for the long-term? The fool in the article deserves no sympathy.

They probably dont teach the "Ant and the Grasshopper" in elementary school any more.


39 posted on 12/11/2006 5:26:33 AM PST by flushing_kenny
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To: CharlesWayneCT

It takes a special kind of investor to lose money going long on an asset class that has gone up in price 300%.


40 posted on 12/11/2006 6:27:48 AM PST by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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