Soldiers pledge to refuse disarmament demands

WorldNetDaily ^ | March 17, 2009 | Bob Unruh

[Old Teufel Hunden]

"Spokesman Stewart Rhodes of Oath Keepers told WND his organization's goal is to remind military members their oath of allegiance is to the U.S. Constitution, not a particular president."

I actually have to say I'm a little offended at this. The military more than anyone else understand the solemn oath they take is to the constitution, not to any person or position. They do not need to be reminded of this by anyone. I took this oath many times and I will say this. In the statement about protecting against all enemies foreign and domestic, I never gave much thought to the domestic part. Now, I think that part of the oath is more relevant than ever.

[TNoldman]

If they actually tried something like this, the armed soldiers would even join the American citizens against their own government dictate to disarm all citizens. They’d turn on the government too!

That would be a military COUP!

[PurpleMan]

Oath of enlistment:

“I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; AND THAT I WILL OBEY THE ORDERS OF THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES (my emphasis)and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.”

Commissioning oath:
“I, _____ (SSAN), having been appointed an officer in the ____ of the United States, as indicated above in the grade of _____ do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign or domestic, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservations or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office upon which I am about to enter; So help me God.”

Ergo, it is just the enlisted who “will obey the orders of the President of the United States.”

[Natural Law]

If, God forbid, this scenario ever comes to pass who would be Obama’s Hessians? Also, don't forget that King George's Hessian's surrendered in large numbers to Washington's troops in exchange for the things not available to them in Germany; life, liberty, and property.

[ChrisInAR]

I think the new Hessians may come out of Obama’s & Emanuel’s national service corps (???), & the upcoming generations. Do you remember that YouTube video w/ all those young black kids wearing green & black military fatigues (is that the right word?) who were marching in unison & praising Obama before the election, saying “Yes we can”?

Brainwashing begins w/ the very young, & I fear that our young people could eventually be like the children of Gaza or the West Bank who bitterly hate the Israelis by the time they reach the age of 10 or so.

[John.Galt2012]

FYI. DoD is probably blocking the oath keeper site, because it has “blogspot” in the address. You might want to pass it along, if you want more military to see it.

[antidisestablishment]

As a mlitary member, this just pisses me off. I may not like the current administration (nor the last, in many particulars), but this type of self-serving, crybaby, neo-arnarchist crap is not going to do anything to restore the Republic we swore to defend. All it does is make anyone stupid enough to sign it look like a fool. It makes no sense tactically or strategically.

I don't need anyone to "remind" me what my oath says. If it comes to the point that we are forced to decide on the definition of "domestic," then this peculiar experiment is already over.

[Travis McGee]

He’s was going to be on the G Gordon LIddy show today. It’s getting traction.

[Nebr FAL owner]

No it would not be a military coup it would be the armed forces refusing to follow unlawful orders . Don’t think of your typical bannana republic ,think what happened in Russia under Ghorbachev when the political secret police & party hard liners tried to have a coup and the army was called out onto the streets to back the plot . The troops were told exactly what they were doing was wrong & why & the troops switched sides.

[Nebr FAL owner]

You have the oath’s mostly correct . You forgot the word “lawful” before the word orders. It is a small word but one with profound meaning since the Nuremberg trials in the 40’s . Soldiers no longer have the legal defense of I was only following orders & haven’t for the last 70+ years.

[PurpleMan]

“Lawful” isn’t in the oath (For enlisted) Title 10 USC

http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/10/usc_sec_10_00000502——000-.html

Or officers: Title 5, Section 3331, USC

http://assembler.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode05/usc_sec_05_00003331——000-.html

I understand what you mean about the “judicial implications” of previous cases (whatever that law phrase is), but it aint’ there.

[Thunder90]

Still, if the CiC issues an unconstitutional order or totally reckless order without cause (IE shoot a fellow soldier or kill American civilians), the enlisted personnel would be obligated to disobey it.

[Old Teufel Hunden]

"according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice"

The orders have to be lawful orders in order to be obeyed. Violating civil rights would not be a lawful order. Maybe in a court of law it would, who knows. Morally however, military personnel would be perfectly justified to not obey orders that deprive people of their civil rights.

[freema]

I agree, MrEdd. The article itself, and the embedded link to the Iowa National Guard drill are verrrrry interesting, though : )

[smoothsailing]

Ma, this is off subject but I thought I’d post it here. It came through my Nam vet e-mail group..

From: majorzippo

Subj: RESPECT IS EARNED MR PRESIDENT!

It appears that soldiers/veterans are viewed by this administration as little more than pieces of equipment and not the living breathing personification of American honor,courage and sacrifice they truly are.It appears that when they(this equipment) are broken a new form of mandatory insurance is required.Warriors will have to pay a system they already pay for with their taxes.The President wants to bill private insurance for the costs of care and coming will be a time when veterans will,like their car,require ‘mandatory insurance’.This is the same crew which moaned about giving ‘everyone universal health care’? Everyone except he who has shed his blood to allow egoist elected officials to make cruel and stupid decisions.

Not long ago the US Army set out to save money by holding the line on disability and men shot with two and three bullets were put out of the Army with 10-20% ratings.All to deny medical retirement at the magical 30%.They did have a comment for the wounded warrior:’Take it up with the VA but now we are working together.’Working to make sure our heroes are cared for? No pal,working to keep costs down.

I recall each Democratic candidate stating their love for soldiers and declaring they only hated war and not warriors.Well that leftest lie should go right up their with ‘Alger Hiss was not a spy’ and ‘Jane Fonda was not a traitor’.Do not try to quit another winning war to further your socialist vote buying agenda.You will sir,take care of our wounded,injured and sick warriors from all wars and we will not pay again for what has already been covered with a blood payment.If General Eric Shinseki does not resign, over your actions, he is not a man or a Soldier.

The heads of major veterans organizations are generally pretty astute and no matter which party is in power they strive to connect to a sitting President.Not this time and the head of the American Legion came out of the White House seething about your plans for veterans.He should have remembered this President comes from the same party which labeled the battle commander of American troops at war ‘General Betray us’ for refusing to say we were losing.AMERICA YOU GOT THE PRESIDENT YOUR SORRY
BUTTS DESERVE ! Unfortunately, you latte sipping simpletons,our troops and veterans deserve a much better leader.Obama does not appear heartless. It is much more serious than that.This lad is clueless!!!

Mr. President and by God I use that honored title loosely in your case,listen up.I and mine can show you what broken equipment looks like. We can and will put five hundred thousand veterans and concerned citizens on motorcyles in Washington DC and our equipment will ‘break’ and we will shut you down with nothing moving.Every street and crossroads will have ‘broken’bikes by the hundreds of thousands.Unlike your bomb throwing buddies we will not be violent but we will not move and I will be there and you can have this former POW thrown in jail for supporting the troops.We will see how long that lasts.

YOU WILL GIVE MY FELLOW WARRIORS WHAT THEY HAVE EARNED BEFORE YOU ADDRESS THE CONCERNS OF EVEN ONE OF YOUR NON-PERFORMING SUPPORTERS.

WE WERE SOLDIERS ONCE AND YOUNG AND WE HONOR AND RESPECT THE OFFICE OF PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES BUT YOU SIR ARE MAKING IT VERY HARD FOR US TO RESPECT YOU.AFTER ALL IT IS A COMMODITY THAT MUST BE EARNED.

MAJOR MARK A.SMITH,DSC
US ARMY,RETIRED
FORMER POW,VIETNAM/CAMBODIA

[Marine_Uncle]

I cannot help but wonder where Secretary Gates is on this issue.

[ChrisInAR]

I don’t remember the source, but I read earlier today that the Obama Administration is re-thinking the policy of having our wounded warriors pay for their own service-related injuries.

If that is true (???), maybe that idea was just a trial balloon sent up to see how people would react....& it created enough anger that they changed their minds, possibly? If anyone knows anymore about this, I would appreciate it.

[wastedyears]

I fear this might not be enough.

[HotLead61]

Do you remember that YouTube video w/ all those young black kids wearing green & black military fatigues (is that the right word?) who were marching in unison & praising Obama before the election, saying “Yes we can”?

If he decides to use a civilian corps made up of kids (to disarm Americans), he had better be prepared to send a lot of them back to Mom & Dad in body bags.

[Churchillspirit]

We swore an oath to defend the Constitution against ALL enemy's both foreign and DOMESTIC!

In the case of Zero, who knows whether he is a foreign or domestic enemy?