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1 posted on 02/13/2011 1:14:19 PM PST by dickmc
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I’d like to note that I just did considerable research on this topic, and several who seemed to know what they were talking about posted in various discussion forums that tri-sodium phosphate was way too caustic and would wreck the seals and aluminum parts of your dishwasher and washing machine, and that a better chemical, one of the ones that had been used in household cleaners before it was removed, was sodium tripoly phosphate (STPP).

What you want to use here is technical-grade, low-density STPP. There’s a guy on ebay selling it and I bought some. I’m too lazy to premix it with my regular cleaners, so I just pour about 3 tablespoons in the soap dispenser of my washing machine when I pour in the regular soap. With the dishwasher, I just dump about a tablespoon onto the door before I close the door.

The difference in clothes is truly remarkable. They start to look as bright as new, and lose that progressive dinginess that they accumulate otherwise with the crappola neo-Marxist, Greenie fake soaps that are now the only ones sold in the stores. My dishes get clean now too.

I then located a cleaner manufacturing company in Denver, and drove there and they sold me a 50 pound bag of STPP far cheaper than online. This company makes a very large variety of cleaners, and I tried to convince the owner he should also sell just plain STPP, and label it something like “Hard Water Dishwasher and Washing Machine Booster”. I think word would spread virally and that he’d have an instant hit on his hands.

Phosphates are banned in only a hand full of states, but the big manufactures are too lazy to make two different products, so they invariably make their products to match the lowest common denominator, which is usually California.

BTW, though not illegal in Colorado, when I first went looking for TSP (before I realized STPP was the way to go), all I found was fake stuff that was named “TSP”, but which did not actually contain any tri-sodium phosphate. Couldn’t even buy it online from the chain stores, even though they sold the real thing online in other states. An Ace Hardware store clerk told me why. Real TSP is a key ingredient in the illicit manufacture of methamphetamine, so all retail business in Colorado “voluntarily” refuse to sell it, even though it is not illegal. They even go so far as to filter availability via zip code online. Essentially this is fascism at work.


60 posted on 02/13/2011 4:47:24 PM PST by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Made from the right stuff!)
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I’m a little late to the discourse, but does anyone know of a CLR substitute? I had a new commode put in, and it already as lime buildup! Is there something I can add to the water to stop this???
Does TSP work for that?


71 posted on 02/13/2011 7:28:27 PM PST by stilloftyhenight (Don't make me use uppercase.)
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You will be reprogrammed.

Prepare for departure.

The reprogramming unit will correct deficiencies in your on-board evaluation system.


72 posted on 02/13/2011 7:40:08 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain & proud of it: Truly Supporting the Troops means praying for their Victory!)
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Later


73 posted on 02/13/2011 7:43:37 PM PST by I_be_tc
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On-line at:

■Phosphorus content: this formula averages 6 percent phosphorus, in the form of phosphates, which is equivalent to 0.8g per tablespoon.

Meijer Automatic Dishwasher Detergent

77 posted on 02/13/2011 9:11:58 PM PST by Doe Eyes
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An FYI ping.


82 posted on 02/14/2011 7:10:23 AM PST by Vor Lady
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About ten years ago I had an obnoxious neighbor that built a fountain in his front yard. The damn thing made enough noise to wake the dead. My friend owns a commercial chemical company that mixes soaps and solvents for commercial use. He mixed me a very high phosphate soap that made unbelivable amounts of foam. I put a baby food jar full of it in fountain about midnight and the nest morning his yard was full of foam and I mean the whole yard. It took him two days to get the fountain to stop foaming. One more treatment and he filled it in.
85 posted on 02/14/2011 8:45:20 AM PST by Downsouth55
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ping for later reference


86 posted on 02/14/2011 8:54:52 AM PST by the_devils_advocate_666
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As background:
Another Triumph for the Greens

96 posted on 02/14/2011 9:59:20 AM PST by logician2u
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The Weekly Standard had an article awhile back about this....

I was screaming out loud by the end of it..

102 posted on 02/14/2011 10:32:58 AM PST by Osage Orange (MOLON LABE)
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I need to post all of my thoughts in one post (this is third) but your remark about a clean dishwasher reminded me. My dishwasher was starting to leak underneath. I found the source and was mulling over whether or not to replace it myself, call a repairman or get a new dishwasher.

ANECDOTAL ONLY: It stopped leaking when I started adding the TSP. My appliance-repair-for-dummies-brain tells me maybe the water discharge tubing is rinsing cleaner as well. May or may not be true, but no more leaks.


103 posted on 02/14/2011 10:33:04 AM PST by Protect the Bill of Rights
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I’m joining the chorus of people who used TSP to solve their dishwasher problems. Got it in a NJ Home Depot last week. Now I add a teaspoon to each load and it’s all sparkling.


118 posted on 02/14/2011 2:21:44 PM PST by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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I've been going crazy thinking something was wrong with my dishwasher when it finally dawned on me that they had taken the phosphates out of the dish detergent.

No matter how long I would run that dishwasher, everything was coming out gray and dirty. I am going to get some TSP.

135 posted on 02/19/2011 4:17:29 PM PST by Vicki (Washington State where anyone can vote .... illegals, non-residents, dead people, dogs, felons)
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Pssst! I recently bought a bunch of Cascade WITH PHOSPHATES from Restockit.com!!

Pass it on...


138 posted on 02/21/2011 9:27:37 PM PST by alley cat
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Just wanted to thank you for the info on adding phosphate to the dishwasher. I experimented and am adding 2 teaspoons per wash. Works like a charm.


140 posted on 03/16/2011 8:16:24 PM PDT by Montanabound
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ping


146 posted on 04/09/2011 4:16:39 PM PDT by kalee (The offences we give, we write in the dust; Those we take, we engrave in marble. J Huett 1658)
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151 posted on 05/11/2011 2:57:15 PM PDT by Smokeyblue
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I can’t tell you how much I appreciate the info!. I have the hardest water anyone has ever seen, I literally get a solid white coating on all my dishes, killed 3 dishwashers and just don’t want to kill the new one. This actually worked!!!! I am so happy if I could give you a great big hug I would so I am most grateful. If this works for me, it can work for anyone!!


160 posted on 09/22/2012 9:01:19 PM PDT by 2IRISH4u
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I'm at the point where I hope all of my actions makes rivers run with sludge and makes eagle egg shells so thin the eagles die out.

Eff everything.

163 posted on 11/11/2015 12:00:11 AM PST by Lazamataz ( If they try firearm confiscation or gun registration, I go ballistic.)
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ping


165 posted on 11/11/2015 12:19:15 AM PST by Nailbiter
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