Posted on 11/08/2013 7:48:19 AM PST by BenLurkin
Our current president has acknowledged past coke and pot use. It is claimed he also smoked crack.
President Clinton's brother said he had a nose like a vacuum cleaner and is rumored to have used it while in the White House.
JFK used prescription medications as well as pot and LSD whle in the White House. LSD was legal at the time, as well.
Toronto's mayor is hardly an aberration.
Yeah, and I am the crack smoker...
ALL OF IT WAS THE REAL SHIT.
They move from pill form to the "traditional" as their needs increase. This is all well documented.
Perhaps you need to lay off of a non-controlled substance, caffeine.
The culture war pushes drug consumption.
Can’t encourage kids to “kick the habit” or “just say no” when their peers, mentors, and elected leaders are saying “yes! yes! yes!”.
“What are you? SQUARE?”
Keep them dumb and dependent.
“No dispute with that. However I do take issue with those who deny marijuana is a gateway drug.”
Calling marijuana, beer, cigarettes “gateway” doesn’t make much difference.
I tried them all, but got addicted to alcohol. When I got sober, I had an accident, surgery and was given Vicodine. A friend in AA advised me to be careful, because the pain meds were very fast and effective, in “hooking” you.
The Vicodine came from the doctor and the pharmacy. It is written that one of the biggest “addiction crises” is among older Americans, for prescribed pain meds.
My wife looks after her 86 year old mother, who wears a pain med patch. Recently she had an accident, got overdosed on the patch, and it nearly killed her.
My father introduced me to alcohol, so that by the time I reached adulthood, I’d know how to drink properly, like a man.
That is what his dad did, before him.
Some kids try alcohol, throw up, decide that is not worth it and don’t drink.
Another kid will try alcohol, throw up, and decide that is just the thing, and he is found later living a shitty life, dead at an early age, or in AA.
Pick your own poison, pick your own vendor. There are plenty for all.
Rich kids have always used Boy.
Kennedys
Hell Plano supposedly had an epidemic in 90s
Afros went to crack from Lucas H 30 years ago
Cheaper and better than oxycontin
Hat tip....peckerwood junkies
Did you ever check the cost of these Rehab Centers?
Continuing on drugs is cheaper.
Around here Oxy and Percs have become so expensive that Black Tar Heroin is the drug of choice for the Pillbillies...
No; not a member. I don’t know if there is an organized “chapter” in Indiana.
“Is 0.03 BAC enforcement excessive and confiscatory?
Is 0.08 BAC enforcement excessive and confiscatory?”
Yes and yes.
“How about limits on the quantity of purchase of alcohol, hours of purchase of alcohol, and age limitation on alcohol?”
If the local governments do it, they certainly have the authority, and if I don’t like their rules, I don’t have to live there. There shouldn’t be any federal laws on the matter though, or backdoor attempts using threat of withholding federal highway money.
“Do you have a problem with employer prohibition of tobacco use (even during an employee’s off hours, outside of work)?”
That’s tricky, because I don’t like it, but it’s probably a free association issue. The employer should have great leeway to employ or not employ whomever he likes.
“How about smoking bans in parks, cars with children, depictions of tobacco use in movies/old cartoons/magazine advertising?”
I’m comfortable with local governments trying these things, and seeing how they shake out at the ballot box, or in court, even though I don’t like them. Banning advertisements is a clear 1st amendment violation though, so no, that is not okay.
“Tobacco and alcohol are “legal” but sale, production, transport, and conditions on where it may be used are heavily regulated and becoming more so every year. Dopers ain’t gonna abide by that.”
So what? Neither do alcohol or tobacco users, when the regulations become too onerous. People always find ways to flaunt regulations when they can’t tolerate them, but we have no problem dealing with that through civil enforcement, or criminal penalties if the civil ones don’t work.
No dispute with that. However I do take issue with those who deny marijuana is a gateway drug.
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I’d love to hear from the posters on this thread, from what product did y’all get your first buzz?
It was cigs for me, followed by booze, and only then MJ. Tried a few other things in late high school and college, but never took to them. Loved pot, though.
So, in your estimation, was pot my gateway (to nowhere, ultimately)?
Vancouver lets you smoke. So does Amsterdam. And Colorado.
No further need to bitch about legalizing it nationally if that's your barometer.
“Vancouver lets you smoke. So does Amsterdam. And Colorado.
No further need to bitch about legalizing it nationally if that’s your barometer.”
What are you talking about? You asked me about cigarettes and alcohol, and now you want to apply my response to illegal drugs, in some kind of bait and switch?
You’re also mischaracterizing the status of drugs in those places. Federally scheduled drugs are not legal in any of them, even the foreign countries you mentioned.
Bitching and moaning about pot being illegal while these are not. If you are okay with heavy restrictions on the sale of tobacco and alcohol (in essence, I’ll leave rather than change those laws) you can do the same over pot, etc.
“Bitching and moaning about pot being illegal while these are not.”
Give me a break. I’m trying to have a discussion about policy and you want to make it out like I am a pot head who just wants to smoke. I haven’t said word one about that.
Go find some other sucker to play your dishonest games with.
I was later told that that was quite a common reaction.Assuming that's true how can anyone be a heroin addict?
That is the problem, and now we have a government which - through its pro-drug legalization policies - is encouraging drug addiction and dependency.
But it’s much easier to control a drugged population than a conscious one, so I guess it all works to Obama’s advantage.
Thanks for the heroin cutting info, Marie. My friend who is a drug counselor told me that marijuana has more THC now, selectively bred to be much more powerful. . He tells college kids, “This is not your father’s marijuana.”
In Viet Nam the the heroin was pretty darn pure.
One thing about heroin when its really pure its
really easy to OD.
I tried it for a while smoking it till one day I
did a bit too much and dry heaved for about two hrs.
Scared the crap outta me,but did it again the next
day.Lot of guys came back to the USA junkies,but
thank God I quit it on my own before coming home.
Correct me if I'm wrong but I think you mean "popular culture." If so I agree 100%. The whole Sixties upheaval was about sex, drugs, rock 'roll...and communism. Unfortunately many of today's supposedly "responsible adults" have never really rejected those adolescent attractions even though they may wear suits and ties or feminine business attire at work and go to PTA meetings.
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