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Judge Grants Request From Jahi McMath’s Family to Extend Life Support
Life News ^ | Steven Ertelt

Posted on 12/30/2013 4:47:11 PM PST by Morgana

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To: funfan

I wish I had been older at the time. No... a coma isn’t the same as being brain-dead... but the docs were telling my uncle that she was beyond hope and they felt they should cease the life-support.


21 posted on 12/30/2013 5:56:01 PM PST by Winstons Julia (Hello OWS? We don't need a revolution like China's; China needs a revolution like OURS.)
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To: Sacajaweau

Removal of tonsils and adenoids is protocol for childhood sleep apnea. The c-pap mask is not the first option. If the child is overweight (like this poor soul) then the doc should make that the first protocol, followed by the mask. It’s frightening that the medical “profession” goes straight for surgery.


22 posted on 12/30/2013 5:59:20 PM PST by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: Oliviaforever
Do you want to live in a country where an elected judge decides if you’re dead or alive?

Judges didn't declare McMath dead. Doctors did. All of them. And a coroner.

23 posted on 12/30/2013 6:00:55 PM PST by Drew68
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To: goodwithagun

Clarification for my post 22: By “that” I mean weight loss.


24 posted on 12/30/2013 6:03:08 PM PST by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: cll
Read the book.

Dr. Alexander went into a meningitis-induced coma. Parts of his brain shut down, or went "off-line."

He was never declared brain dead. His brain was still functioning, still receiving oxygen. There's a world of difference between Dr. Alexander's condition and that of Jahi McMath, for whom there is no brain activity whatsoever.

25 posted on 12/30/2013 6:05:29 PM PST by Drew68
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To: Ouderkirk
But dead is dead

That is so not true. Her heart is beating. She is not dead.

The concept of 'brain dead' is a new concept. It was developed to help families cope with the sorrow of organ donation. Families were able to give permission to donate organs if they were told the loved one was dead.

26 posted on 12/30/2013 6:08:57 PM PST by ladyjane
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To: Benito Cereno
The hospital is handling this very poorly.

Yes, exactly. This dispute was almost certainly kicked off by the hospital's high-handed and supremely arrogant behavior toward this family.

Having been on the wrong end of such officious treatment by doctors and hospitals myself, I understand how this family feels. Many families are quickly cowed into submitting to having the plug pulled prematurely on a loved one. But every once in awhile, some relative will stand up and say "Like hell you won't!"

I wonder if there was a "transplant team" lurking in the background, just waiting to swoop in and "harvest" the girl's organs?

That is often the motivation behind hospital pressuring parents into too-hastily consigning their children to death.

And how many people know that the definition of "brain death" was conjured up just in the last few decades ... for the very purpose of promoting transplantion of "fresh" organs from still-living patients (i.e., still alive, by the traditional definition of death).

Such a rosy picture is painted by the organ transplant industry, that few people know the ugly truth about what actually happens when organs are "harvested" from a patient who has been declared "brain dead" (who, at that point, ceases to be considered a patient).

As the transplant surgeons cut into the un-anesthetized patient's donor's vital organs, his or her body often thrashes about violently ... even a "brain dead" patient resists this atrocious assault on his or her body.

27 posted on 12/30/2013 6:15:25 PM PST by shhrubbery! (NIH!)
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To: Drew68

Okay. I’m just saying that miracles can happen.


28 posted on 12/30/2013 6:17:40 PM PST by cll (Serviam!)
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To: goodwithagun

Might have been the parent’s choice.


29 posted on 12/30/2013 6:22:39 PM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: ladyjane
The concept of 'brain dead' is a new concept.

"Brain dead" is not a new concept. It has been around for at least 45 years.

30 posted on 12/30/2013 6:30:15 PM PST by A_Tradition_Continues (formerly known as Politicalwit ...05/28/98 Class of '98)
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To: Drew68
$2,000-$4,000 per day and can run much higher depending on the patient’s condition, into hundreds of thousands a year.

My local California paper reported the cost is $10,000/day.

31 posted on 12/30/2013 6:38:39 PM PST by Bon of Babble (Don't want to brag...but I can still fit into the earrings I wore in high school!!)
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To: Sacajaweau

I was researching childhood sleep apnea because my son (who is actually very skinny) snores so badly. That’s when I learned that anesthetizing a small body then slicing and dicing is the first protocol. I’m appalled by that. If my son does have this issue I will insist on other options and not slicing and dicing; however, some parents might want what they think is a quick fix. Perhaps this poor soul’s parents wanted the quick fix instead of stepping up, being parents, and cooking good food and exercising with the child (if her sleep apnea was weight related).


32 posted on 12/30/2013 6:46:46 PM PST by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: JPG
This is an apt definition. Furthermore, if this child did suffer a cardiac arrest,90% do not survive, about 2% of the 10% who do survive are unencumbered by serious medical consequences such as brain dysfunction or other organs dysfunction caused by lack or O2 to the brain.
I did some research on this topic and one abstract I saw showed a brain scan of a brain in which there is blood flow and another in which there is not. If the hospital were to show the parents and family of this girl films such as the ones I saw, perhaps they could better understand what the doctors are trying to get them to understand.
33 posted on 12/30/2013 7:14:42 PM PST by celtic gal
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To: cll
Okay. I’m just saying that miracles can happen.

Not to people in Jahi's condition.

And this is part of the problem. Everyone is filling this family up with false hope, with anecdotes of loved ones who miraculously pulled through. But these tales were of people who weren't brain dead! This girl's brain is quickly turning into putrefied jelly. She is NOT coming back.

The only thing that is taking place is a media circus pressuring the hospital to continue ventilating a corpse at great expense on a machine that could otherwise be used to actually save someone else's life.

34 posted on 12/30/2013 7:17:14 PM PST by Drew68
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To: funfan

No it is not. One who is in a coma can have brain activity. One who is brain dead will have no electrical evidence on testing. The brain ceases to function and without mechanical support by way of ventilator, the body will stop functioning as well. When the ventilator is turned off, there could still be a heart beat for a short time and other organs may function but it will stop, all functions and systems will shut down.


35 posted on 12/30/2013 7:19:11 PM PST by celtic gal
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To: ladyjane
Not true. If the child is in fact brain dead and declared so by testing which is extensive, and should the ventilator be removed, her heart could beat for a short time afterward. The heart has it's own “electrical” system for lack of a better word. That is why arrythmias, are so dangerous as the heart rate then becomes erratic and can result in cardiac arrest in which the victim falls unconscious. When CPR fails at some point a decision has to be made and when one becomes asystole,they are gone.
36 posted on 12/30/2013 7:26:21 PM PST by celtic gal
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To: Bon of Babble

My husband was not in the actua ICU, he was in an acute care room one the med surg floor and our charge for each day was 12,000+ per day. I too am in CA.


37 posted on 12/30/2013 7:28:42 PM PST by celtic gal
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To: A_Tradition_Continues
"Brain dead" is not a new concept. It has been around for at least 45 years.

There is no one definition. There is no consensus. "Brain dead" varies in different countries.

It's fine with me if you are willing to donate your organs while you are "brain dead" according to one of the many definitions and according to whatever definition the doctor attending you is using.

38 posted on 12/30/2013 7:32:37 PM PST by ladyjane
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To: RushIsMyTeddyBear

let her family pay as well....


39 posted on 12/30/2013 7:38:16 PM PST by cherry (.in the time of universal deceit, telling the truth is revolutionary.....)
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To: ladyjane

I am not in support of the ghouls in organ donation.

I understand why they are interested in pushing the button for harvesting her for valuable parts to save others. But that’s not what I’m talking about.

She’s been on life support for a week, and in that time, I would hope that they have tested her repeatedly (daily?) for brain function.

Think of it like a PC, the CPU is fried, and it won’t pass POST. Yet the power supply still works...should I leave it plugged in hoping that it will somehow start up again ?

That’s kinda where we’re at here.


40 posted on 12/30/2013 7:38:58 PM PST by Ouderkirk (To the left, everything must evidence that this or that strand of leftist theory is true)
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