Sick of Chemtrail Haze Over NJ [Vanity]

Vanity | 4/19/2015 | Self

[Dust in the Wind]

I would hope you would realize that “cloud seeding” is not planting seeds in the sky to grow clouds. It is putting easily known particulates into the updrafts and down drafts of growing thunderheads to give water something to gather around and get big enough to fall as rain and before it becomes large hail. I know some of these pilots.

[PieterCasparzen]

That is pure conspiracy nonsense. You’re experiencing more clear skies than you admit, and it is normally expected to have more upper cloud or cirrus formation in the current decades due to the lower amount of sunspot activity. Add to those factors some recent volcanic activity in the Northern Hemisphere, heavy Chinese smog production, and high altitude contrail production; any already existing tendencies to form cirrus, haze, and overall water vapor and sulfur compounds can be expected to emphasize such hazy conditions to an even greater degree.

I've been an airplane buff since I was two weeks old. I never got a license, but I was at the controls a little as a kid, doing straight and level and a few banking turns - dad had to do the rudder because my feet could not reach the pedals. We went to the Sussex airshow just about every year.

I NOTICE the weather EVERY day.

I flew on passenger jets in the late 90s every day for years. I used to like United because you could hear the cockpit on channel 9 on the headphones. I would sit with that on in my headphones - ALL ACROSS THE COUNTRY on a 5-HOUR flight. I like it. I like flying. I love airplanes and flying. I'm always interested when navigation, safety and weather issues come up. I am HUGE into knowing what the weather is; I don't write it down every day, but I certainly have a memory.

So far this year we have barely gotten over 70, about 3 or 4 days so far. It's been very cool, 50s/60s. I'm up all night working and go out for walks. It's only recently got up out of the 30s at night. I take note of the skies at night; clouds, stars, weather.

I learned from flying a small plane trying to hold it straight and level that haze at altitude is more challenging than a clear sky - because you can't see the horizon clearly. When you try to keep the plane level, you look at your wingtips and you see the horizon - so you can see if both of them look the same, wingtip relative to horizon. When it's hazy - you can't see that demarcation as easily, so you have to be more careful in making sure you actually are flying straight and level like you think you are.

A few years ago I began to notice high-alt haze in northern NJ skies. The past 3 years it has been, for the most part, a daily situation.

Smog does not rise to 30k feet and drift halfway around the world and still remain thick enough to create a clearly visible thin cloud cover.

Volcanic activity would only create high level haze when it happens, not on a daily basis for 3 years (and probably longer). Mt St Helens erupted in 1980. I was in HS. We did not have months of haze in New Jersey after that. Here is the ash cloud distribution from that:



Sunspot activity would not create haze for 3 years daily.

Sunspot activity would be even over the whole earth since the sun is 93 billion miles away from earth. Differences in ozone layer, etc., shift from time to time - the earth's atmosphere is gaseous and in motion - over all the earth. The only possible explanation of 3 years of haze is cloud seeding of some sort, at 30k feet, upwind of the area in question.

[Georgia Girl 2]

They do the same thing here in the Atlanta area. Its always several planes criss crossing each other in a grid pattern. If you watch them all the time you can see them turn the spray off and on. I saw a plane the other day and while I was watching he turned on the spray and started a trail.

[IronJack]

everybody knows the Grand Canyon was made by Paul Bunyon dragging his axe.

Man, some people will believe ANYTHING!

[familyop]

"They are not Chem trails now. They are cosmic ray trails, and probably much worse. They have increased recently due to the lack of sunspots..."

I'll elaborate on that a little. It's true that under certain normal conditions, more frequent coronal mass ejections can cause a reaction in a layer of our atmosphere that offers more protection. Here's more.

Some of you may have noticed news over the past few years about the magnetic north pole wandering rapidly and far to the north. As that has happened, parts of the magnetic field have weakened (normal during such a shift).

Weak spots in the magnetic field can allow solar storms and cosmic rays to cause a process that can deplete the ozone layer in those spots. Nitrogen gas is dissolved, so to speak, into atoms reacting with oxygen gas to form nitrogen oxides: ozone destroyers.

Because the magnetic field shift accompanies more outer core and mantle movement, volcanism, seismic activity and methane leaks might increase. Increased methane also depletes the ozone layer.

The ozone layer is replenished naturally and quickly when not depleted too quickly.

Those processes cause unusual, long term weather patterns. As for the unusually cooler weather in the northeast, that has also been accompanied by extended solar minimums in the past.

So for PieterCasparzen, the increasing haze is caused by more dust (drought), ash (volcanism), smoke (more forest fires) and other debris in the air from the West. Enough particles in the atmosphere can also cause drought in the West, by the way. A very thick, continuing haze slows evaporation, which slows condensation and precipitation, making that process too slow to produce as much rain and snow as before.

We (mankind) did not cause it and cannot stop it. It's normal and happens once in a great while. It does not end life on earth. We can only take better care of ourselves by covering up more during the couple of hours on each side of solar noon, doing more agricultural work in the Midwest and east, and so on.

So why all the heavily sponsored media noise about man-caused global warming? Big pecuniary benefits and influence are possible for those who keep knowledge to themselves.

[PieterCasparzen]

Duh. I’m a hyper-arrogant software engineer. Actually it’s not arrogance at all. I know when I’m right, and I admit when I don’t know something. That’s how I’ve successfully debugged systems in a few days that teams of other people tried to debug for months.

I knows about the cloud seeds aint’ be seeds.

I got a 660/640 on my SAT. I aint stupit.

It’s amazing on FR.

Mention anything about government or big corps screwing over the little people, and neocons jump up obediently and start attacking the independent thinker.

Don’t look up in the sky, nothing to see here. Move along. Back to your cubicles and pods. Just do your part for the war effort. Eat whatever cr@p they put in your supermarket. Take the drugs your doctor “prescribes”. Don’t eat fat. Don’t smoke. Oh my God, you’ll kill yourself. Fat is the enemy. Corporate food is good. The weather is normal. Everything is fine. Obey your government and send your kids to the government for their proper training.

Oy vey.

[tet68]

Obama looks to the future...

I remember once driving my mules and wagon in Texas
during the summer with a load of corn. It was so
hot it started popping in the wagon, one of the mules
saw it, thought it was snow and froze to death...

[justa-hairyape]

There is more then just chem trails causing the greater amounts of haze and clouds. All has to do with assisting water vapor to phase change to water moisture. Gas to liquid. And yes, it is all assisting in the cooling of the planet. Some intentionally and some accidently. Just watch how cold it will get over the next few years.

[Borax Queen]

It drives me crazy that, even with good binoculars, I can’t tell anything about the planes. They are just unmarked white ones. Certainly not the regular commercial and military ones that have always flown here.

[Hot Tabasco]

I got my cancer from loading drums marked “Chem” that were then dumped out a high altitude...

One of them landed on and squashed my dog. Fortunately I wasn't walking it at the time......

[tet68]

OOps, that’s why you should always preview,

it should be some people will believe anything...

[eartrumpet]

So far this year we have barely gotten over 70, about 3 or 4 days so far. It's been very cool, 50s/60s.

You got my curiosity up. Not knowing northern NJ, I went to a map and grabbed Paterson as an example. According to this page

http://www.intellicast.com/Local/History.aspx?month=4

the daily average for every April day is far below 70. In other words, the days you have been seeing in the 60s are normal.

[familyop]

"Haze at 30,000 feet, much more rare."

Look up descriptions of the various kinds of clouds and the altitude ranges of those clouds. It's really always been quite common, more common during some times than others. Long term changes in weather patterns are normal. Just be glad that you're not here in the dry West now.

[PieterCasparzen]

Except I sit and watch the planes all day.

I love planes.

I take careful note of the “contrails” in the morning, noting how it gradually shifts with upper air currents. For example, a lot of high-alt cruising traffic moves towards the SSE, presumably coming in from Europe going towards the heartland.

Gradually the contrails dissipate. Pretty soon what was separate contrails early in the morning - I’m watching out the window or taking walks as this happens, mind you - and by afternoon there is a complete haze covering. I can see a great distance to the west and notice the same greatly dissipated contrail patterns gradually blowing over from west to east by prevailing winds at altitude.

There’s no sunspots or volcanoes or smog involved at all.

I’ve lived most of my life about 40 miles west of New York City. I’ve landed in NYC area airports hundreds of times, so I know about NYC smog patterns. Smog forms a hemisphere over a city.

For 50 years it has always been noticeably cleaner air 40 miles west of NYC than it is in NYC. Again, prevailing winds blow towards NYC from here.

What’s to the west of here ? Thousands of miles of small towns and small cities, where manufacturing smog, since the regulation era of the 1980s began, increasing until now, smog is noticeably absent from where I am.

[Georgia Girl 2]

I have not looked through binocs but you can see that the planes are not military jets.

For all the naysayers out there Delta does not do loopy de loops with other airplanes at low altitudes and neither do military jets. You never see military jets flying criss cross grids at low levels over heavily populated areas.

The military jets leave a narrow trail that goes away in a few minutes. Their trails don’t stick around and get wider and wider.

[Dust in the Wind]

DUDE, I just offered an explanation. For your info I work outside every day and am somewhat knowledgeable about geography and distances, I have been under contrails all my life. I know where jets can originate from and directionally where their destinations may be. I know that contrails do not start until a cold enough altitude is reached(turning on the spray..) and when they leave those altitudes the contrails cease(turning off the nozzles). The air lanes cross each other and do appear to be a grid and is affected by the jet stream. I will acknowledge that some days their ‘trails are heavy enough to cast shadows and on heavy traffic days seem to cover the sky. Yes it is deliberate just as the exhaust from our ground vehicles is deliberate. Long live capitalism.

[mowowie]

I have a friend who CONSTANTLY harps about “chemtrails”.

[TigersEye]

[Sirius Lee]

Tinfoil hats cause cancer.

No, it causes Alzheimer's. Wait. What are we talking about?

[Sherman Logan]

I’m just curious if anybody has run the numbers on the immense amounts that would be needed of whatever “secret chemical” is being used to make these chemtrails. The fuel that is actually creating these contrails, after all, is many tons.

Has anyone questioned the hundreds of thousands of airline workers that would have to be involved in loading and recharging the secret sprayer tanks?

Just last week I took a couple of short jet flights. Out of curiosity I watched the entire luggage, trash, fuel, supplies ballet. Whole thing took well under half an hour.

When exactly were these secret chemicals loaded on, and why don’t any of the workers involved rat the process out?

I’m perfectly willing to believe in people evil enough to engage in such conspiracies. I just like to see some logical explanation of how the conspiracy is even possible.

When you burn jet fuel (or most other things) the primary combustion product is water vapor. In fact, you get a little more than a gallon of water when you burn a gallon of kerosene.

When water vapor is released in cold conditions, as at altitude, it immediately condenses and freezes. Pretty much the exact same process by which clouds are formed.

There may actually be something to the notion of contrails contributing to high-altitude haze. It’s just really tin-foilish to think there’s some secret plot involved. No, just a lot of airplanes.