LaVoy Finicum autopsy report released (Shot 3 times in the back)

OregonLive.com ^ | Clifford C. Nelson, MD

[tumblindice]

Dd you notice in the autopsy report the notes show he was handcuffed and his killers undid his belt?
Finicum was dead and getting cold, but the backshooters still weren’t taking any chances. He was dead in the snow and they were going through his clothes.

Reminds me of a scene from a book where shooters knew the enemy were dead on the ground, but put a bullet in their heads anyway.

The FBI and Oregon state police really covered themselves with glory here, and the worst part may be that we all saw it coming.

[jonrick46]

I remember the video where Finicum hands reached down to his left side. I thought it was a reaction to a gun shot wound and not an effort to pull a gun out of his coat pocket. After reading the autopsy report I think it was his reaction to a gun shot wound:

B. Right-to-left, back-to-front, upward gunshot wound path with:
1. Perforation of the posterior right 10th intercostal space.
2. Laceration of the lower lobe of the right lung.
3. Perforation of the diaphragm.
4. Perforation and pulpefaction of the upper right kidney.
5. Perforation of the hepatic flexure of the colon.
6. Perforation of the liver.
7. Perforation of the diaphragm.
8. Perforation of the pericardial sac.
9. Perforation of the right ventricle of the heart.
10. Laceration of the lingula of the left lung.
11. Perforation of the anterior left 4th intercostal space and fracture of the left 5th rib.

I believe the above was the kill shot that caused Finicum to drop his raised hands and react to the internal damage to his organs. The autopsy listed the manner of death as homicide. I believe it was.

[wita]

Well, you were not in the truck. So any opinion is pure speculation and so far you are not doing so well on that count. You have no idea what went on, and really only Lavoy and the Lord know, so we will have to wait to find out.

[Rightwing Conspiratr1]

Well, you were not in the truck. So any opinion is pure speculation and so far you are not doing so well on that count. You have no idea what went on, and really only Lavoy and the Lord know, so we will have to wait to find out.

Well you are right in that I would never willingly get into a vehicle with a paranoid lunatic. I said IF I was, I would have shot the dumb sunavabitch.

[Yardstick]

Is it clear that he was shot *before* he made the reaching motion?

If so, then I don’t get the claim that he was shot because he was reaching. It seems to have cause and effect reversed.

[maine-iac7]

listed cause as “homicide”

[maine-iac7]

I saw a guy with his hands up reach into his pocket for his pistol and get smoked.

I saw a guy get shot from the back by a fed who came out of the woods in back of him - and he reacted by clutching h is front torso - as I'm guessing YOU would have - an automatic reflex.

I'm sure they pretty much knew they were about to get Ruby-Ridged and had a meeting set up with the sheriff - which he kept telling the feds, over and over. The Sheriff is the law of the county - OVER the feds.

The BLM is a rogue outfit -

[Smokin' Joe]

If there was no weapon, what was he reaching for?

The absence of a holster mentioned in the autopsy (A shoulder holster would be worn under the jacket, left armpit area for a right handed person, and while any firearm might be removed prior to autopsy, the holster would have likely been left in place because removing it would entail removing and replacing the jacket, disturbing evidence of bullet pathways). Not to mention leaving the holster in place would provide support for the 'reaching for a weapon' statements. Finnicum was known to wear a shoulder holster, on the left side (right handed person).

Why leave a familiar rig to stuff a different firearm in a pocket that was not mentioned in the M.E.'s examination of his clothes?

Drawing out of a pocket is a pain in the butt, and the GFF is astronomical.

From the autopsy report, we know the exit wounds were upper left chest/shoulder. It is human nature to reach for the site of an injury. We do it instinctively.

He had both hands up, reached toward his left shoulder but pulled back, then reached again.

My bet is that he was shot, started to reach for the wound site, pulled back, was shot again (possibly the same shooter) reached for the second wound site (two wounds came from the same direction), and then was hit with a third bullet which came from the lower right rear and did most of the damage. (different shooter). That shot also exited the upper left quadrant of the anterior torso.

The initial video does not show any muzzle flashes from any firearms in view at any time, just two very muted flashbangs.

[Mark17]

He was executed. Period.

And the government that executed him won’t do a damn thing about it. Period.

The only thing the government will do, is give the agents medals, and promotions.

[raybbr]

You’re still turgid after watching the video, aren’t you? When it goes away you can watch the video again and again to keep up the excitement.

[Yardstick]

That sounds plausible to me — that he was reaching at a wound, not for a gun. It really comes down to the timing. If he reached and they fired, that’s one thing. But if he reached only after they fired, that’s another. The sequence of events should tell who is at fault.

[R. Scott]

The penalty for not obeying LEOs is summary execution.

[Twinkie]

His name is LAVOY FINICUM. I watched a video he made a few
days before his death. He explained that the Federal
Government is taking huge liberties not allowed it in the
Constitution. He was sitting next to a watering hole on the
land where his cattle were drinking. He was a plain-spoken
man and not a criminal type. - It appeared they had to kill
him to silence him. - You are right. DU is a DUMP with
every other word being the “F” bomb; from people who fancy
themselves “educated”.

[drpix]

"Leroy actually did have his hands up."

Here's a link to the definitive video on that issue. It's 2 angle picture in picture. (I link to just before his vehicle's forced over. To see the full 12-minutes start it at the beginning manually.)

It shows clearly that he raised his hands - but it shows just as clearly that he then brought them down to his body before the shots were fired.

What the video doesn't make clear is if there was something near Leroy's hands that could have appeared to be a weapon. Because unlike Michael Brown, he wasn't charging the cops, nor had he previously tried grabbing (and shooting with) a cop's gun.

[EternalVigilance]

Frankly, since we already know that the FBI agents lied during the investigation, nothing they say is credible.

So, I don’t believe that he even had a weapon in his possession to reach for in the first place.

A stolen 9 mm? Why would someone in his position, who knew he was likely at some point to be in custody, have a stolen weapon on him? It makes no sense whatsoever. If the gun was reported stolen in the NW, as one report I read claimed, why would an Arizona rancher be in possession of it? Wouldn’t it be more likely that some LEO in the NW had gained possession of it? This just doesn’t pass the smell test.

[BwanaNdege]

FBI HRT would never kill an innocent..

Lon Tomohisa Horiuchi, Larry Potts, Ruby Ridge, Waco

[Bshaw]

“Good job feebs, staties! The important thing is you got home safely without a shot having been fired in your direction.”

Not entirely true, the moron LEO on the left hand side of the screen, in the treeline, was firing at LaVoy, in the same direction as the truck and other LEOs.

In my military days, we called this man a moron and worse.

[Faith65]

bkmk

[semimojo]

It really comes down to the timing. If he reached and they fired, that’s one thing. But if he reached only after they fired, that’s another.

Agreed.

I'd like to see more police video, with audio, if it exists. For now, all we have is this video which is a mash-up of the drone footage and the cell phone footage from inside the truck.

The shooting is at about the 5:50 mark, and assuming that the videos are synched correctly it's clear that the shots came after he reached to his side.

It's also clear that he was ignoring their repeated commands to get down on the ground and instead kept shouting at the police to shoot him.