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Residents of Oakland warehouses fear 'witch hunt' after fatal fire
L A Times ^ | 12/12/2016 | Soumya Karlamangla, Javier Panzar and Paige St. John

Posted on 12/12/2016 5:42:05 AM PST by BenLurkin

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To: JayGalt

“...all those people can congregate there, and they can do so in a safe environment.”

Stars and garters! These people are thick.


21 posted on 12/12/2016 6:39:34 AM PST by lastchance (Credo.)
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To: arthurus

Got it.

So at least everyone will have high self esteem as they are burned to death or crushed under tons of “art”.


22 posted on 12/12/2016 6:44:48 AM PST by WayneS (An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last. - Winston Churchill)
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To: BenLurkin

“...for people who may inhabit nonconforming bodies or who are queer or in some way an affront to society...”

So, IOW, this hell hole fire trap was a metaphor for the practice of creative body mutilation...And a raging inferno is preferable as a safe space, because laws are for the straights and the haters.
These poor, lost souls....smh.


23 posted on 12/12/2016 6:46:08 AM PST by mumblypeg (Make America Macho Again.)
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To: BenLurkin
Sam Lefebvre, a music journalist who has been covering the fire for the weekly East Bay Express newspaper and who lost friends in the blaze, held back tears...

Nothing says "objective reporting" like a guy who lost friends in the incident...

24 posted on 12/12/2016 6:46:35 AM PST by WayneS (An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last. - Winston Churchill)
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To: BenLurkin

It is so very interesting to read the defense of living in squalor and depravity while enjoying beautiful music and art. I saw very little original “art” in the photos and, of course, did not hear the music.

I had friends in the 60’s who thought ‘free love’, LSD and cannibis were non threatening and gave them great creative powers. They also had many infections, ate badly and eventually did turn to other forms of recreation. STDs/STIs were rampant.

My friends so wanted me to try LSD and everything else they had. I think they were lonely, distressed due to lack of money and unwillingness to work to make money and mostly they were quite immature...making me wonder if all the drugs they used had contributed to a continuing life as a teen ager no matter their age.

But what never made a positive impression on me was using drugs to BE creative. Perhaps http://luxury.rehabs.com/blog/famous-works-of-art-created-under-the-influence/ and
http://drugabuse.com/20-genius-minds-and-the-drugs-they-were-addicted-to/ would be interesting.

I think there might be a fine line between defined insanity associated with creativity and need for drugs or maybe it is
the pleasantness of being elsewhere and no having to cope albeit for the smallest period of time.

My final thought is I wonder how many wonderful artists have NOT used drugs and yet produced great art. I wonder.


25 posted on 12/12/2016 6:51:58 AM PST by Bodega (we are developing less and less common sense...world wide)
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To: BenLurkin

It is so very interesting to read the defense of living in squalor and depravity while enjoying beautiful music and art. I saw very little original “art” in the photos and, of course, did not hear the music.

I had friends in the 60’s who thought ‘free love’, LSD and cannabis were non threatening and gave them great creative powers. They also had many infections, ate badly and eventually did turn to other forms of recreation. STDs/STIs were rampant.

My friends so wanted me to try LSD and everything else they had. I think they were lonely, distressed due to lack of money and unwillingness to work to make money and mostly they were quite immature...making me wonder if all the drugs they used had contributed to a continuing life as a teen ager no matter their age.

But what never made a positive impression on me was using drugs to BE creative. Perhaps http://luxury.rehabs.com/blog/famous-works-of-art-created-under-the-influence/ and
http://drugabuse.com/20-genius-minds-and-the-drugs-they-were-addicted-to/ would be interesting.

I think there might be a fine line between defined insanity associated with creativity and need for drugs or maybe it is
the pleasantness of being elsewhere and no having to cope albeit for the smallest period of time.

My final thought is I wonder how many wonderful artists have NOT used drugs and yet produced great art. I wonder.


26 posted on 12/12/2016 6:55:05 AM PST by Bodega (we are developing less and less common sense...world wide)
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To: JayGalt

Assumption of Risk.
If they are willing to accept the risk, I’m good with it.
I just worry about other folks who might be adjacent.


27 posted on 12/12/2016 7:15:53 AM PST by Little Ray (Freedom Before Security!)
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To: JayGalt

Assumption of Risk.
If they are willing to accept the risk, I’m good with it.
I just worry about other folks who might be adjacent.


28 posted on 12/12/2016 7:15:55 AM PST by Little Ray (Freedom Before Security!)
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To: BenLurkin

Just called yourselves an abortion clinic and the Left will continue to leave you alone to do whatever you want.


29 posted on 12/12/2016 7:41:25 AM PST by joshua c (Cut the cord! Don't pay for the rope they hang you with.)
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To: Travis McGee
Never inspected in 30 years

Right. And one of the taxpayer funded muckety-mucks stood in front of a camera and said they would investigate thoroughly and make sure 'something like this never happens again'.

30 posted on 12/12/2016 8:27:33 AM PST by pa_dweller (Trump 290, Clinton 232 - The vote heard 'round the world.)
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To: Little Ray
Assumption of Risk. If they are willing to accept the risk, I’m good with it

I'm not good with it because it's a public space and unsuspecting visitors, tourists, workmen etc who think that the laws on construction are operative can be caught in the fallout. Our fire & rescue teams risk their saftey as well.

No exceptions that compromise saftey. I might go with wavers if they are evaluated by the town and are different than the norm but maintain safe conditions.

31 posted on 12/12/2016 9:52:14 AM PST by JayGalt
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To: BenLurkin

“all those people can congregate there, and they can do so in a safe environment.”

He’s kidding, right?


32 posted on 12/12/2016 9:58:09 AM PST by Lurker (America burned the witch.)
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To: varyouga

Maybe part of the solution is to simplify code so that common sense saftey issues is mandated. Codes have gotten so elaborate and the ADA has complicated the situation even further. Problem is that its not just state by state but also city by city where codes need to be brought into line and simplified...perhaps following MAGA


33 posted on 12/12/2016 10:00:35 AM PST by JayGalt
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To: BenLurkin

A little responsibility and accountable? As “Good it Gets.”


34 posted on 12/12/2016 10:51:03 AM PST by keving (We get the government to vote)
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To: BenLurkin

Uh, yeah. Enforcing fire safety and zoning regulations to avoid keep dozens more from burning alive qualifies as “witch hunts”.


35 posted on 12/12/2016 12:05:00 PM PST by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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To: BenLurkin

something tells me that continuously referring to these bunches of squatters as “artists” is pretty much like calling all of the drug-dealing gang-bangers who shoot each other to death as “aspiring rappers”.


36 posted on 12/12/2016 12:16:31 PM PST by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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