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Ancient, scary and alien-looking specimen forms a rarity in the insect world -- a new order
Science Daily ^ | January 25, 2017 | Oregon State University

Posted on 01/27/2017 5:59:49 PM PST by JimSEA

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To: piytar
everything man made you see and use is a result of real science plus associated engineering.

Jesus made all that stuff. It's in the Bible!

41 posted on 01/28/2017 6:18:06 PM PST by Drew68
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To: NorthMountain
True I should have said 'stop using the internet & computer' and go back to stone knives, animal skins & shouting. But again there was some set of 'scientists' way way back who figured out how to make sharp rocks into knives, wearing animals skins was warmer then naked (But maybe not as much fun!🤣) & sounds with grammar, words & syntax was better the grunting.
42 posted on 01/28/2017 6:18:59 PM PST by Reily
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To: NorthMountain

You’re a little late to the party dude. I made the comment yesterday. You can look on down thread to see further comments, and then shut up, because I don’t care.


43 posted on 01/28/2017 6:24:37 PM PST by caver (Trump: Home of the Winner)
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Make stupid comments, get razzed for it. Your idiocy will be preserved on the internet forever. Enjoy ...


44 posted on 01/28/2017 8:49:36 PM PST by NorthMountain (Washington Post is fake news)
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To: NorthMountain; caver

Stupid comments?

The subject of this thread is about as stupid as anything can get.

Calling a deformed earwig a “new species” pretty much takes the cake, don’t you think?
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45 posted on 01/29/2017 12:26:29 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: JimSEA
The strangest thing about this insect is that the head

Praying mantis have triangular heads too...

46 posted on 01/29/2017 12:31:25 PM PST by Hot Tabasco
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47 posted on 01/29/2017 12:38:04 PM PST by PLMerite
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To: Drew68

Well given that Jesus aka God is the source of all creativity, I can’t disagree. /no sarc


48 posted on 01/29/2017 1:50:12 PM PST by piytar (http://www.truthrevolt.org/videos/bill-whittle-number-one-bullet)
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To: caver

Fair enough, That sadi, I started out as an engineer. But even then I took time to experiment (do the math, make a hypothesis, test, prove or disprove, rinse and repeat). Have moved onto other things, but still do some real science (right now in the quantum mechanics space). Just part of who I am...


49 posted on 01/29/2017 1:53:00 PM PST by piytar (http://www.truthrevolt.org/videos/bill-whittle-number-one-bullet)
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To: editor-surveyor; JimSEA; NorthMountain; caver; piytar
editor-surveyor: "The clowns that produced this nonsense are definitely not scientists."

"Calling a deformed earwig a “new species” pretty much takes the cake, don’t you think?"

OK, let's start here: not everybody "gets" that people like editor-surveyor have taken on themselves the awesome responsibility of defining for the rest of us just what is, and what is not, "science".
They say "science" is only what you can see & detect today and anything from the past is "historical science", meaning myth, religion & pseudo-science.
So, for example, if a scientist finds a piece of amber with an insect inside and estimates from the surrounding geology that it's 100 million years old, well, that's pseudo-science and religion, since according to our editor-surveyors, nobody can really know what actually happened in the distant past.

Second, editor-surveyor doesn't grasp the significance of the fact that this strange looking critter was not classified as a separate "species", not even as a separate "genus" or "family", but as a whole new "order" of insects, as different from other insects as, for example, cockroaches are from, say, butterflies.

Yes, in recent years there have been major revisions to some biological classifications, based on DNA similarities and dissimilarities showing how closely or distantly species are related, and no DNA survived in that ancient amber.
But the analysis is more than just myth, religion & pseudo-science.
People who study insects know they are not looking at something found alive today, and there are two different specimens, meaning one is not just a freak of nature.


50 posted on 01/30/2017 2:26:52 PM PST by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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You can lump me in with editor-surveyor since I don’t believe this garbage. I’m tired of these “scientists” telling me they know what went on 100 million years ago. Total BS!

They are “scientists” and us peons are supposed to believe them? More fake news.


51 posted on 01/30/2017 5:07:31 PM PST by caver (Trump: Home of the Winner)
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"You can lump me in with editor-surveyor since I don’t believe this garbage.
I’m tired of these “scientists” telling me they know what went on 100 million years ago.
Total BS!"

If BS = "beautiful science", then of course you're correct, otherwise, not so much.

Science is built on evidence and theories, which in the case of geology, physics, astronomy, biology & other disciplines, point to Earth being billions of years old.
Of course you can deny that evidence all you wish, just don't call your own theories "science".

But you need to grasp the basic concept that science (real science) is not about "belief" or even "Truth".
That's because, at best science is a model of reality, nothing more.
So imagine a really nice model, say of the USS Constitution:

Beautiful, right?
But is it real, is it Truth, can you "believe" in it?

No, of course not, instead we might admire it's beauty, we could even verify it's dimensions are to scale, but we would never "believe" the model is the real USS Constitution.
By its very nature, it cannot be, and so with science itself.
Science is a model of reality as we see it, based on evidence and theories.
It can be verified by checking its claims, but it is still just a model.
As such, there is no "belief" in it, it's all just conditional acceptance, until a better model can be verified.

And in this example, even the real thing is not the actual USS Constitution -- because after many rebuildings & restorations, almost nothing is now left of what it once was.
In that sense, even the real USS Constitution is but a life-sized model of the original.
Sure, you can "believe" it if you wish, but nobody believes it is still the mighty defender of freedom on the seas it once was.
Just as nobody believes that science itself is the Creator of whatever reality it reports to us.

Models do not require "belief".

52 posted on 01/31/2017 4:19:39 AM PST by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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