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Israel President Rivlin Addresses Poland, Anti-Semitism At Holocaust Remembrance
Israel News Agency ^ | January 29, 2018 | Joel Leyden

Posted on 01/29/2018 4:44:08 PM PST by IsraelBeach

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1 posted on 01/29/2018 4:44:08 PM PST by IsraelBeach
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My limited knowledge of WWII and its key “players” suggests to me that Poland was more of a victim than a perpetrator.Yes,individual Poles may have committed crimes but I still remember what happened om 9/1/39...and in the weeks and months thereafter.
2 posted on 01/29/2018 4:48:55 PM PST by Gay State Conservative (Remember: All Cultures Are Equal!)
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Israel is having a hissy fit over the new Polish law which I don’t agree with this Polish because it criminalizes people for what they say.

Its an anti-speech law in essence.

The Israelis by their noise making are doing something here.

They are helping the EU and other anti-Polish government entities like Soros funded NGO’s to paint Poland’s government in a negative light.


3 posted on 01/29/2018 4:53:51 PM PST by Nextrush (Freedom is everybody's business: Remember Pastor Niemoller)
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To: IsraelBeach
Well, one report had it that Poland wants to ban calling the Nazi murder factories located in Poland “Polish death camps” — arguing that they were built by the Nazi occupiers not Poland. To my limited way of thinking. This is an attempted disaffirmation of responsibility for the horrible things. This is not completely a bad sign. How would Jerusalem like it if Warsaw were to affirm pride in The camps being in Poland? —— so perhaps Jerusalem might wish to consider this a bit more carefully? Of course, there was a horrible amount of anti- Semitic discrimination and a lot of vicious treatment of Jewish people there. And some Poles murdered some Jews who managed to get free of the death camps🤬 too. Poland has one of the worst histories in this respect, a history going over several centuries. Poland is far far from innocent. Far from it. All I’m saying is that calling the Nazi death camps Polish death camps because they’re in Poland is worth reconsideration is all. And, I think maybe the Polish ban on the phrase may be a signal of a more positive attitude — one that both Jerusalem and Poland can build on. Imho. (But it will take work - and perhaps super- human discernment and care in such “little things” as choices of vocabulary etc). Saint John Paul 2 worked massively from a Christian perspective to try to correct and heal the Polish anti- semitism —- his effort should , I brlieve, serve well as a foundation stone to build better relations today.
4 posted on 01/29/2018 4:59:41 PM PST by faithhopecharity ("Politicans aren't born, they're excreted." -Marcus Tillius Cicero (3 BCE))
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To: IsraelBeach

Why make an enemy of a friend? Poles were also victims of the Nazis AND the Soviets. This is not the best path.


5 posted on 01/29/2018 5:01:44 PM PST by StolarStorm
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Ps to Rivlin,you are quoted as mentioning right wing antiSemitism. Ok. But please remember that the vast majority of the worst, most deadly anti- semitism has proven to come from the left ( national socialism, communism, some of the Extreme leftwing DNC in recent years, etc). Please be alert to the hatemongers on the left also. Thanks.


6 posted on 01/29/2018 5:03:13 PM PST by faithhopecharity ("Politicans aren't born, they're excreted." -Marcus Tillius Cicero (3 BCE))
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Stop yelling at the good child, Israel.


7 posted on 01/29/2018 5:08:02 PM PST by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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They can go shove it, While I don’t agree with the polish law for freedom of speech purposes the fact that POLAND is one of the safest countries for WOMEN to visit because they have been keeping out the ISLAMIC RAPE-U-GEES unlike Germany and Sweden which have both become shit-hole countries.

Anyone worrying about Poland becoming anti-Semitic is not seeing the literal MILLIONS of anti-Semitic being imported into the EU by the like of Frau Merkel and the rest of the beta-male Ethno-Cucks in the EU parliament.

On that list of worrying about jew hating, Poland is waaay the hell on the bottom of that list of anti-Semitic countries to worry about....PERIOD


8 posted on 01/29/2018 5:08:31 PM PST by GraceG ("It's better to have all the Right Enemies, than it is to have all the Wrong Friends.")
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Poland was a place of refuge for Jews for 500 years until succumbing to Russian interference (and eventually German invasion). Jews aren’t permanently safe anywhere, even the USA, outside of the Land of Israel.

Poland seems historically less guilty of Jew-hate than most of Western Civilization.

Rivlin should give it a rest and say Kaddish.


9 posted on 01/29/2018 5:11:28 PM PST by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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This attack on Poland reflects the reality that Israel considers Shia Islamic Iran its worst enemy so it aligns itself with Sunni Islamic Saudi Arabia, the perp of the Syrian Civil War and the Muslim “migrants” Poland is trying to keep from crossing its borders.


10 posted on 01/29/2018 5:14:08 PM PST by Nextrush (Freedom is everybody's business: Remember Pastor Niemoller)
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com·plic·i·ty
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The state of being involved with others in an illegal activity or wrongdoing.
synonyms: collusion, involvement, collaboration, connivance
11 posted on 01/29/2018 5:19:57 PM PST by IsraelBeach
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The crying about the Holocaust is getting as bad as the crying about slavery.

We really need to get past this.


12 posted on 01/29/2018 5:34:46 PM PST by WilliamCooper1
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To: IsraelBeach

Haven’t the Germans limited some “free speech” as related to World War II? Why not allow the Poles too? “Polish Death Camps”, didn’t Obama say something like this?

Netanyahu also got behind this, I hope he wouldn’t let Soros influence him per another posting here.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-israel-poland/israel-criticizes-bill-banning-statements-implicating-poland-in-holocaust-idUSKBN1FG0TZ


13 posted on 01/29/2018 5:36:04 PM PST by BeadCounter
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Those were the camps of the Nazis, I’m sure in every country the Nazis invaded, they had collaborators (same for Japan in invading the countries it did, I know they did in some countries). It’s grossly unfair to call them “Polish death camps”, Obama made this gaffe and apologized for it. See: https://www.yahoo.com/news/obama-says-regrets-polish-death-camp-gaffe-110255389.html


14 posted on 01/29/2018 5:48:48 PM PST by BeadCounter
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Facts don’t matter. There appears to be anti-Polish bigotry among some of Israel’s politicians. Thankfully most Israelis understand that Poland is on the right side against Israel’s enemies. Really dumb to keep poking allies and friends in the eye. Every. Single. Country. invaded by the Nazi’s had a scumbags that worked with them. Hell, there were even Jewish among the collaborators.


15 posted on 01/29/2018 6:07:27 PM PST by StolarStorm
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“” “” Poland seems historically less guilty of Jew-hate than most of Western Civilization.”” “”

That might be true but for some weird reason most of so-called ‘pogroms’ took place in Poland. And Holocaust has mostly happened in Poland too.

As for Israel-Polish friendship:

Palestine has Poland’s ‘unswerving support’
Foreign Minister Radoslaw Sikorski reaffirmed Poland’s support for Palestinian independence on Wednesday during a meeting of the Joint Polish-Palestinian Ministerial Committee.
http://www.thenews.pl/1/10/Artykul/154287,Palestine-has-Polands-unswerving-support

Also in 2010 Poland hunted and deported for trial a Mossad agent suspected of killing a Hamas official in Germany.


16 posted on 01/29/2018 8:08:05 PM PST by NorseViking
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Apparently, there were a lot of Jews in Poland in the 1940s, if there were “pogroms” against Jews in the past, that makes me wonder about history. I don’t fault the Chinese for the Japanese whipping the stuffing out of parts of China in World War II.

The Germans or Nazis if one must, set up and built the concentration camps in primarily Germany and Poland. The camps were filled with Slavs too. We know, Hitler did not like Slavic people as well.

http://levswar.weebly.com/uploads/2/7/8/5/27857003/4768945.png?673 Death camps mainly in Poland.

I would do a lot of research before blaming the victim, Poland in this.


17 posted on 01/29/2018 11:44:22 PM PST by BeadCounter
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There were actually relatively few Jews in Germany. If Germans wanted to kill them in large numbers, they had to do it in Poland. And that’s what happened.

Ukrainians (who invented pogroms) and Russians were far worse to Jews than Poles.


18 posted on 01/30/2018 12:01:23 AM PST by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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jjotto , thanks for that.

Also, as for Poland and Palestine, that’s old cold war stuff it looks like if one is including the 1980s. The Soviets and the Warsaw pact countries were partners with most of those Arabic countries.


19 posted on 01/30/2018 12:10:09 AM PST by BeadCounter
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To: NorseViking

Actually it’s still about Germany.

The anti-Israel trend in EU has got a significant boost since left leaning liberals started the domination over German government around 2000.


20 posted on 01/30/2018 12:25:51 AM PST by granada
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